Are we really learning any lessons in our transfer dealings?

Monday, 29 January 2024, 7:30
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The news yesterday that the Swans would potentially be open to allowing Jerry Yates to leave the club on a permanent deal is just another one to add to a list of transfer mistakes that the club have made in recent years.

Yates was signed last summer for ยฃ2.5m and the fact that the club could be prepared to let him leave tells you much about the decision to buy him in the first place.ย  ย It’s really easy to put that down to a change in management forced when we decided to part company with Michael Duff but given the fact that we laud up our data analysis approach to transfers you have to question what we are programming into the system to start with.

If the club firmly believe that this is the way to approach transfers – and there are more than a few cynics on this front (me included) – then surely it matters not who the manager is.ย  ย If they are looking for people to play football the way they claim they want us to then these players would fit at any stage.

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There is also the level of irony that we are supposedly happy to move Yates on when we are being linked with wingers, wide play allegedly what Yates was missing to be the kind of striker that we wanted him to be.ย  ย I’m confused now if I’m honest.

But actually this isn’t about the decision (if indeed it is one) to move on Yates but more so about another transfer made by the club that seems to have never worked for us.ย  ย And in some instances transfers we have never given a chance to work.

Nathan Tjoe-A-On has already been moved on in this window, Morgan Whittaker went in the summer and Nathanael Ogbeta was sent on loan to Bolton last week and scored within minutes of his debut this weekend.ย  ย  Those three signings all have the ability to claim that they were not given a chance at Swansea which begs the question as to why we signed them in the first place.

There is also speculation that we could also see Mykola Kuharevich and Kristian Pedersen move on this week.ย  ย If that is the case then it could mean four of the often mentioned thirteen signings of the summer moving on in the very next window.ย  ย Again, this more than brings into question the use of this data analytics model that we like to use.

After the disaster of the last January transfer window, the Swans signed those thirteen players in the summer with Andy Coleman saying back in September “The recruitment team has brought 13 players into the first team, the most Swansea has added to the squad during a transfer window, since its return to the Championship.

“Paul and his team were able to generate significant return for the club through player sales, despite some of those players entering the final year of their respective contracts. Even considering the departures, we have strengthened the club in key positions, added significant depth, acquired assets and brought in high-level first team talent via loans from top Premier League clubs.

“We are now focusing on strengthening the football department so that we are in the best possible position heading into each successive transfer window.”

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Now if we do move on a significant percentage of those signings in the summer you have to ask the question as to who is accountable for those mistakes.ย  ย We have already seen the incorrect managerial appointment in Michael Duff and now it looks as if we are publicly making admissions of mistakes in our transfer dealings as well.ย  ย Again.

This is all well and good and it is accepted that not every transfer works out as you want it to (we have a long history of poor signings to use as examples) but to be so alarmingly out in one window makes you wonder whether mistakes have really been learned from as we have been told on several occasions.

The news at the weekend that we have pretty much secured a new signing in Ronald is welcomed but there are very few people who know much about the player so we only have to hope that this is a result of some extensive scouting and understanding of football rather than digits on a spreadsheet telling us he is the right player.ย  ย I lost many jobs in football manager by working purely off data statistics!

Let’s see what the next four days hold but given some of the news from the weekend itย  tells you much that there was not much lessons learned from the mistakes of the previous windows – we can only hope that we are proved wrong this week that those lessons have been learned or you would imagine Andy Coleman and Paul Watson will be on the end of some serious questions.

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magicdaps10

Lee Trundle

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One day they will get it right, it's a bit like playing roulette.......do it enough times and eventually.

Think they have shown that they dont learn from their mistakes, when they do try and address things........it comes out worse.

It's like giving a bunch of toddlers a bunch of permanent markers and leaving them for a few hours in a brand new kitchen. You hope but you know what the reality will be.

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ARQS

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Well we aren't learning anything, are we? Our signings are getting worse.

13 Summer signings. 5 loan and 8 permanent (although I appreciate the irony of that word).

In the last league game, 15 players featured. One 'permanent' summer signing started and another came off the bench. Let's be kind and say that would have been 2 starters if Key was fit.

Out of the 8, Nathan Toe-Whatever (enough said), Broome (3rd choice keeper, fine), Ukrainian Bloke (108 league minutes) Pederson (4 league games) have been a waste of time. That's half of them.

Yates has scored a few goals but has struggled and it looks like he's heading off. I'm sure he'll suit a system somewhere or other but he clearly doesn't fit ours and that was obvious within about an hour of watching him play.

Tymon has been, at best, average although he has steadily settled into being one of our least terrible players.

I thought Ginnelly looked good before his injury but that wasn't based on very much football.

Key has been the pick by far and goes down as a success. Hopefully he can put his injury behind him and get a run of games.

Out of the loans, I'd say only Rushworth has been a real success. Lowe has been decent enough. Humphries very hot and cold. Same with Patino. Ashby (other spellings available) - awful.

We've also signed a bloke who has been here two months and isn't fit enough to play more than about 20 minutes.

So in summary... dreadful.

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Jacket

Alan Waddle

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Simply put, no. The transfer dealings with this scatter gun approach to signing that we've seen since Watson's arrival could put us into FFP hot water for the simple reason that we are signing players that aren't good enough and we're having to loan them out, replace them with even more signings, and allow them to leave for a fraction of the original outlay.

Add to that the fact that we have virtually no players of significant sell on value, it makes balancing the books and avoiding FFP bother a significant challenge.

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TerryPHELAN

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So whoโ€™s to blame? The Americans owners have clearly made money available, itโ€™s just that whoever is in charge of recruitment (Watson) needs to be held to account. And bare in mind, we canโ€™t go throwing money about, as we have to bide by FFP rules.

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Been watching the Swans since the very late 1970s and running the Planet Swans website (in all its current and previous guises since the summer of 2001 As it stood JackArmy.net was right at the forefront of some of the activity against Tony Petty back in 2001, breaking many of the stories of the day as fans stood against the actions where the local media failed. Was involved with the Swans Supporters Trust from 2005, for the large part as Chairman before standing down in the summer of 2020.

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