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Well, yes Brendan is great of course, but don't forget Tosh who got us to sixth in the first season up there. We also topped the table a few times in the campaign. I'm not saying you, but a lot think football started in the Premier era. Division 1 was the equivalent, under a different name is all.

I accept the change. I'm not going to embrace it though. Let's agree to disagree as you and I have done in the past 😊

Yep ..but this ruins it even more for me. Sorry, 7th and 8th a complete 👎

We had a pretty decent team going up. Plus in the last 6 or so years the gap between Prem and Championship is HUGE

Likely I said, not automatic. Bottom line I just don't favour the 7th and 8th change. Makes a mockery of merit. Money making. Why not down to 10th, usually only a few points off 8th. Just my view is all.

Of course, I'd completely get caught up in the excitement, I'm a football fan...but the heart rules the head in those moments. My head now says a team finishing eighth will likely get nuked in the Prem. No thank you to the humiliation is all.

Fair points...but Sunderland built virtually a new team. Burnley had 100 points and are going back down. Cannon fodder for me is probably an understatement - rather an eighth team getting NUKED in the Prem. !! I'm talking Derby unwanted record stuff. To get a promotion I'd like us to be...

If be absolutely pig sick though if we finished third and the eighth team fluked a win in the 95th minute of the final, because of injuries, say, to our key players. Finishing eighth and being promoted doesn't sit well with me is all. Even if it were us I'd dread the Premier step up...

Seems to me it devalues the merit of promotion if whoever finishes eighth gets there. Even more likely to be a Sunday league outfit in the Prem. It's just a cup competition season end, anything could happen over just a few games. Fluke goal, poor ref etc etc. 46 games should be the leveller...

Nor me ! Hence my reference to this thread going round in circles. We're mid table. Wait for next season. And hope for better I agree with this too. But a lot of personal angst seems to be coming out on this thread. Pointless.

Is it just me, or is this thread now going around in circles. Bottom line is we will likely finish mid table. That's it. Then Summer review. Hopefully some quality in - defence, midfield, attack 😊. Plus some obvious suspects out. Though possibly a profit on some we may not really want to...

This sums up where we are tbh

Agree ! And even against PNE, the poor first 45 mins got sorted at half time by him.

Unfair on Sheehan that. Luke Williams. Michael Duff. Russell Martin ( for sheer boredom)

..12 points. And Wolves have done it. Relegation is one thing .. but getting only 10 points or less is a total disaster. Derby's unwanted record must be soul destroying for their fans. Each year they pray for a Wolves or Southampton. When we next get there, 12 is the first target - then 36 (...

Blimey, if those stats are true, I'll take back what I said. Which games are those ?

I just say to my mate in the next seat...don't get excited, f**k all is going to happen. Same also with corners generally. I'd love us to try more short ones.

I'd lay odds that this wouldn't apply to Eom and Ronald. They've had plenty of game time here, unlike others who we've let go without much play. Overall, they haven't performed consistently. Ronald poorly more often tbh.

I misquoted Lee of course " last minute equaliser" he did say 😂😂 A brilliant response to that twat of a Manager 👏

Trunds on TalkSport - worth a look ..and as someone highlighted elsewhere re the PNE Manager.- that's not the smell of weed you prick, it's "the smell of a last minute equaliser" 😂. Nice one Lee 👏