AI articles need to end.

[Moorlands]

How can a reader tell when opening a post/article if the opinions are digitally generated or his own opinions and effort.
Shouldn't the 'author' make that clear when he introduces the article.
Slippery slope gents ,laziness and worse if you ask me.

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Yes, but only because YOU have developed the power of original thought. How much nonsense have you seen dished up on Facebook by AI tools? The clue is surely in the title, ARTIFICIAL intelligence.

If people don't see what a threat AI is to original thought then God help us. Make sure your fallout shelter is fully stocked

I totally agree that I see some AI articles and they are absolute crap.

Here I reckon lazy people offer little original thoughts and just accept the first version they get ..and submit. The end result can often be seen for what it is - nonsense

I see the first AI version as a draft . thinking back to my Office days , I would, as a manager, ask one of my colleagues to draft something up and give him/her the key issues I see as relevant. I also say if you can think of anything else relevant pop it in your draft. I've delegated to that colleague to take the time to research and develop a draft for me, based on MY brief

That delegated action I've now given to Mr AI, also based on MY brief.

In both cases I've then received a first draft. I edit it , delete some stuff and ask for some further research.

I get a second, maybe third draft..then when I AM HAPPY with the document (and the recommendation in some cases ) I submit

I sign off the document in my name and also acknowledge the input of my colleagues or Mr AI.

Welcome to 2025. But the final report/conclusion/recommendation must rest with a human.

Ps I recognize the potential staffing implications in an office environment, but tbh there was never enough time to give proper attention to loads of stuff going on.. and I would think this can release people to do more things not otherwise able to be attended to. More productive . and less stress I would hope.

Btw . I'm having some flashbacks now to my old pressure office days - but as I'm relaxing and typing this in the bath and have no work tomorrow. I'm content . So being an Old Timer, is what I'm suggesting above actually the case in today's working environment ?

 

[legoman]

Wow. Just wow. I'll bow out now as I have no intention of falling out with you so its best I bow out of the discussion as it will head that way.

I'm out too mate as I've no intention to offend or to fall out with anyone. It just scares the sh*t out of me that as a race we seem to be barrelling towards a future where original thought is largely eliminated. George Orwell's 1984 has never seemed as prophetic as it does now.

I do accept the argument that AI has it's place in areas such as the NHS and I acknowledge the excellent point Smurph makes.

But when you hear that schools and universities are battling against the surge of AI generated coursework in order to determine which students are worthy of a qualification isn't it right we should be concerned?

Anyway, this thread got my gander up. I don't want to fall out with anyone, least of all Mr Sumbler, so if I offended anyone, I apologise unreservedly

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Wake up Phil! I expect people to know how to structure a sentence and how to use punctuation. You are seriously worrying me now. ARTIFICIAL intelligence is just a database of ideas and thoughts already expressed so by definition cannot better original thought. Sorry, you are about as wrong as you can be.

If I have some original thoughts and want to develop them, I see nothing wrong in first researching background info/facts.

In getting that info, then it will ASSIST me in further developing MY original thoughts.

This research was often time consuming before the internet ( I was there !), also a bit bitty chasing through the internet itself,,,now come to Chat GPT which has opened my eyes today as everyone can see from my boring posts

ORIGINAL thoughts will ALWAYS OCCUR...starting at your Brief to Mr AI, and then even with its inputs to you, it can still be YOUR DEVELOPING THOUGHTS which can produce an original concept.

I would have loved AI to help me ..help being the operative word but not AI having the final say. It will ultimately be my document with my name at bottom based on my ideas. Mr AI saves me time to think of original ideas

 

[PSumbler]

I'm out too mate as I've no intention to offend or to fall out with anyone. It just scares the sh*t out of me that as a race we seem to be barrelling towards a future where original thought is largely eliminated. George Orwell's 1984 has never seemed as prophetic as it does now.

I do accept the argument that AI has it's place in areas such as the NHS and I acknowledge the excellent point Smurph makes.

But when you hear that schools and universities are battling against the surge of AI generated coursework in order to determine which students are worthy of a qualification isn't it right we should be concerned?

Anyway, this thread got my gander up. I don't want to fall out with anyone, least of all Mr Sumbler, so if I offended anyone, I apologise unreservedly

The piece about coursework is very valid and that is a totally different matter - it should enver be the case that dissertations generated solely by AI should pass but there will not be a dissertation that is not assisted somewhere by AI research.

My daughter has recently graduated in graphic design and it bugs her that I can use AI to generate a cheap logo/design for something that she has studied years to do. But as I point out it will never replace a graphic designer where one is needed for regular projects but one off things for small websites like this it will always work as I wouldnt pay someone to do it.

For articles added to a website that is run as a hobby I don't see the issue. Until i t was fully adopted here the articles were infrequent at best due to the fact it got harder and harder to find time to sit down and generate the necessary. Having a tool now that assists with that is brilliant as I can feed it a raw "brain dump" on the subject and get a draft which gets tweaked as much/little as needed. I'm not bothered it reads like something AI assisted because - in most cases - it will be. In the work environment it has to be tweaked to hit "brand" wording but much less so here!

Would I do it if it was my day job? Absolutely not and maybe in retirement if I am still running this place then the writing style can go back to the clunky rubbish I used to churn out but the days where I used to spend 3-4 hours a day doing stuff for this site are long gone so anything that generates good quality content (which I believe it is in the main) is good for me

And it has also enabled me to now have two people who contribute regularly who are happy for their own "raw" work to be put through the same AI tool for consistency and that makes my life even easier.

It's probably overall revitalised my desire to keep the site alive which I wasn't sure I wanted to two years back

 

[Pompeyjack]

If I have some original thoughts and want to develop them, I see nothing wrong in first researching background info/facts.

In getting that info, then it will ASSIST me in further developing MY original thoughts.

This research was often time consuming before the internet ( I was there !), also a bit bitty chasing through the internet itself,,,now come to Chat GPT which has opened my eyes today as everyone can see from my boring posts

ORIGINAL thoughts will ALWAYS OCCUR...starting at your Brief to Mr AI, and then even with its inputs to you, it can still be YOUR DEVELOPING THOUGHTS which can produce an original concept.

I would have loved AI to help me ..help being the operative word but not AI having the final say. It will ultimately be my document with my name at bottom based on my ideas. Mr AI saves me time to think of original ideas

Waw, this thread is as highly charged as the Charlie Kirk thread was. Who would have thought that AI could be so controversial

 

[PSumbler]

The next stage in the evolution is to add an extension to the forum where everyone can reply with AI - that should be fun

 

[AlexanderDex]

The next stage in the evolution is to add an extension to the forum where everyone can reply with AI - that should be fun

Oh, an AI reply extension? Sounds...complicated. Do we really need more noise? I mean, people already struggle to make coherent arguments on their own. Throwing AI into the mix just sounds like a recipe for an even bigger mess. I'm sure it'll be absolutely groundbreaking.

Maybe we should just replace the whole forum with bots then?

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Final thoughts from me. The AI University coursework stuff is real problem I agree . My son works at a University and it's a headache. He thinks some radical solutions will be necessary - what they will be I don't know but they're aggressively working on it.

Going back to this site, I think any AI articles generated by ideas of a poster should 1. be shorter and succinct for easier reading 2. acknowledge that you've used AI for ease on construction and research, but the end product reflects your basic views and ideas

 

[legoman]

Give me the flawed original thought any day of the week rather that the bland regurgitated AI output.

I get your point Phil, but frankly am quite saddened by it. But please don't stop the excellent work you do to keep this site going. It makes this old man very happy for the most part (even though having been in the ground at Charlton on Saturday I felt I'd seen a different game to just about every other contributor to the forum match thread!)

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Give me the flawed original thought any day of the week rather that the bland regurgitated AI output.

I know what you're saying. I hate corporate style bullshit.

BUT, what I've learned today is that the AI product to you is merely a researched draft based on your initial thoughts . You can amend it , cut out obvious crap, definitely shorten it, swear in it, put emojis in it, banter in it... WHATEVER to make it your own. But fundamentally base it on your brief and ideas.

Polishes and saves time is all. You can make it more interesting and shorter and human...and humorous ( get the link there ) - which is what I like to see to soften the tedium of some unfortunate football at the moment.

Anyway my East Bank Mr Chat GPT foresees a positive change in the New Year.
And AI is never wrong

 

[PenlanJack]

Just started using Grok for football bets, he owes me at least 20 quid, think I might sue Musk for giving me artificial duffers

 

[Swanjaxs]

Just started using Grok for football bets, he owes me at least 20 quid, think I might sue Musk for giving me artificial duffers

I love AI kid!.
Look, the history of Penlan

Penlan: A Hilltop Community in Swansea
The suburban area of Penlan, perched on a hill in the Penderry ward of Swansea, Wales, serves as a compelling study of modern community development. More than just a residential suburb, Penlan represents a planned community, historically rooted in post-war housing initiatives, that has cultivated a vibrant and distinct identity, characterized by strong local amenities, active community involvement, and notable natural boundaries.
Geographically, Penlan’s position offers a commanding perspective over the lower regions of Swansea, including Townhill, Kilvey Hill, and Swansea Bay. This hilltop location, while providing expansive views, also fostered a self-contained environment. The development of Penlan, particularly in the mid-20th century, aimed to create a cohesive neighborhood distinct from the industrial valleys and the dense urban center. The resulting landscape is defined by extensive residential housing interspersed with vital community infrastructure designed to be locally accessible.
The true strength of Penlan lies in its energetic community infrastructure. Key amenities anchor the area and foster social cohesion. The Penlan Leisure Centre, for instance, provides essential facilities like a swimming pool and sports hall, serving as a hub for recreational activity and health initiatives managed by local charitable trusts. Furthermore, the area is served by two community centers—North Penlan and South Penlan—which host a variety of local services, including meeting spaces and, notably, a local food bank, underscoring the area’s commitment to mutual support and communal welfare.
Education and local pride also play a significant role in Penlan’s fabric. The suburb is home to Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe, a Welsh-medium secondary school, which emphasizes the preservation and propagation of Welsh language and culture within the community. Beyond formal education, the area boasts a strong sporting identity, primarily through Penlan Association Football Club. Formed in 2006, the club has achieved significant local success in the West Wales Premier League, providing a focal point for civic pride and local sporting ambition.
Additionally, Penlan’s environment contributes to its character. The nearby Penlan Slopes are designated as a Site of Importance for Nature Conservation (SINC), providing residents with access to important dry heath and acid grassland mosaic habitats. This natural space not only offers green leisure opportunities but also acts as a subtle reminder of the landscape’s intrinsic value amidst the urban development.
In conclusion, Penlan is far more than a simple commuter suburb. It is a planned community that has successfully evolved, using its natural elevation and centralized facilities to forge a robust and independent local culture. From its comprehensive leisure facilities and committed community centers to its distinct educational and sporting institutions, Penlan embodies a resilient and self-sufficient local spirit that continues to define this high-reaching section of Swansea.

 

[PenlanJack]

I love AI kid!.
Look, the history of Penlan

Penlan: A Hilltop Community in Swansea
The suburban area of Penlan, perched on a hill in the Penderry ward of Swansea, Wales, serves as a compelling study of modern community development. More than just a residential suburb, Penlan represents a planned community, historically rooted in post-war housing initiatives, that has cultivated a vibrant and distinct identity, characterized by strong local amenities, active community involvement, and notable natural boundaries.
Geographically, Penlan’s position offers a commanding perspective over the lower regions of Swansea, including Townhill, Kilvey Hill, and Swansea Bay. This hilltop location, while providing expansive views, also fostered a self-contained environment. The development of Penlan, particularly in the mid-20th century, aimed to create a cohesive neighborhood distinct from the industrial valleys and the dense urban center. The resulting landscape is defined by extensive residential housing interspersed with vital community infrastructure designed to be locally accessible.
The true strength of Penlan lies in its energetic community infrastructure. Key amenities anchor the area and foster social cohesion. The Penlan Leisure Centre, for instance, provides essential facilities like a swimming pool and sports hall, serving as a hub for recreational activity and health initiatives managed by local charitable trusts. Furthermore, the area is served by two community centers—North Penlan and South Penlan—which host a variety of local services, including meeting spaces and, notably, a local food bank, underscoring the area’s commitment to mutual support and communal welfare.
Education and local pride also play a significant role in Penlan’s fabric. The suburb is home to Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe, a Welsh-medium secondary school, which emphasizes the preservation and propagation of Welsh language and culture within the community. Beyond formal education, the area boasts a strong sporting identity, primarily through Penlan Association Football Club. Formed in 2006, the club has achieved significant local success in the West Wales Premier League, providing a focal point for civic pride and local sporting ambition.
Additionally, Penlan’s environment contributes to its character. The nearby Penlan Slopes are designated as a Site of Importance for Nature Conservation (SINC), providing residents with access to important dry heath and acid grassland mosaic habitats. This natural space not only offers green leisure opportunities but also acts as a subtle reminder of the landscape’s intrinsic value amidst the urban development.
In conclusion, Penlan is far more than a simple commuter suburb. It is a planned community that has successfully evolved, using its natural elevation and centralized facilities to forge a robust and independent local culture. From its comprehensive leisure facilities and committed community centers to its distinct educational and sporting institutions, Penlan embodies a resilient and self-sufficient local spirit that continues to define this high-reaching section of Swansea.

Then AI walks into Tudno, starts malfunctioning and realises some dull c*nt has nicked his batteries