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Assisted Dying

It's about dignity, nobody with a terminal illness should be made to suffer needlessly.

The very idea that suicide can even be 'illegal' sums up how broken the law is around this area
 
JustJack said:
It's about dignity, nobody with a terminal illness should be made to suffer needlessly.

The very idea that suicide can even be 'illegal' sums up how broken the law is around this area

Mad isn’t it?
 
It’s a very difficult and emotional subject, my Sister is in the late stages of Alzheimer’s, she’s in a care home in Ystradgynlais, she’s unable to walk, talk, feed herself and doesn’t know her nearest and dearest, it really is a horrendous disease.
The subject of this thread comes to mind when you see people in this situation, but there again who are we to decide whether somebody should live or die. Life is so precious.
 
Lifelong said:
It’s a very difficult and emotional subject, my Sister is in the late stages of Alzheimer’s, she’s in a care home in Ystradgynlais, she’s unable to walk, talk, feed herself and doesn’t know her nearest and dearest, it really is a horrendous disease.
The subject of this thread comes to mind when you see people in this situation, but there again who are we to decide whether somebody should live or die. Life is so precious.

It’s a very difficult subject Rog,hang in there my friend I’m sending hugs. ♥️
 
I’ve always had an open mind on this subject, but recently I've come to the opinion we should definitely allow people to make their own decisions and choices - subject to the necessary safeguards bing satisfied.
Over the course of the last 11 months I’ve seen some very unwell people who just exist, no quality of life at all. Is very sad.
 
Alas , talking about this issue the other night in work with colleagues , even though we had a civil and honest chat over a cup of coffee on that evening , nobody , myself included , did not have a answer .

Very close friends mother passed on recently , but she was in a nursing home and she did not recognise him as her son , he was told during Covid to think about agreeing to a DNR clause if the worst happened .

He did not agree and due to the staff at the Care Home she had some quality of life to the end .

Care Workers and Home Helps ,the best , sod the money for the footballers and what useless politicians earn .

Rant Over .
 
It's a very emotive subject, and no answer that will fit all.

Having seen the affect of dementia and others dying in pain, my thoughts might be biased.

As far as I'm concerned it's my body and I should have the right to decide.

Over the years many conversations, and I've thought there should be some sort of system that you can show your views over time.

In your 20's then 30's then 40's etc.

Not perfect but it would at least show that your thoughts aren't a quick decision, and hopefully not being pressurised.
 
3swan said:
It's a very emotive subject, and no answer that will fit all.

Having seen the affect of dementia and others dying in pain, my thoughts might be biased.

As far as I'm concerned it's my body and I should have the right to decide.

Over the years many conversations, and I've thought there should be some sort of system that you can show your views over time.

In your 20's then 30's then 40's etc.

Not perfect but it would at least show that your thoughts aren't a quick decision, and hopefully not being pressurised.

What he said for me
 
Lifelong said:
It’s a very difficult and emotional subject, my Sister is in the late stages of Alzheimer’s, she’s in a care home in Ystradgynlais, she’s unable to walk, talk, feed herself and doesn’t know her nearest and dearest, it really is a horrendous disease.
The subject of this thread comes to mind when you see people in this situation, but there again who are we to decide whether somebody should live or die. Life is so precious.

Sorry to read about your sister :cry:

It took my Dad 12 years ago was horrible to watch him at the end, something I would never wish on anybody
 
3swan said:
It's a very emotive subject, and no answer that will fit all.

Having seen the affect of dementia and others dying in pain, my thoughts might be biased.

As far as I'm concerned it's my body and I should have the right to decide.

Over the years many conversations, and I've thought there should be some sort of system that you can show your views over time.

In your 20's then 30's then 40's etc.

Not perfect but it would at least show that your thoughts aren't a quick decision, and hopefully not being pressurised.

My parents made their views clear during their lifetime. My mother was not able to communicate at the end of her life but we all knew exactly what she wanted. We still appreciate her clarity.
 
Jackmanandboy said:
My parents made their views clear during their lifetime. My mother was not able to communicate at the end of her life but we all knew exactly what she wanted. We still appreciate her clarity.

My wife and I both have Lasting Power of Attorney for each other in case either of us ends up incapable of decision making due to seriously ill health. We've told each other that we don't want to suffer unnecessarily. I just hope that when the time comes, we will be allowed to do what we have agreed.
 
My father had dementia for the last 5 years of his life. For the last 2 years he didn't recognise my mother, me or my sister.
Whilst this was distressing for us, particularly my mother it didn't distress him in particular. He had outstanding care in a care home and was clearly fairly happy chatting to staff or visitors despite not knowing who they were. He enjoyed his food and could still have a laugh despite his condition.
The last 3 months were tough and if we could have avoided those it would have been so much better. I have heard many people say that if they got dementia that they would end it if they could but my experience with my father and others around him in the home is that many are happy in their own world.
It is maybe worse for family who "lose" their relative to the disease and then lose them again when they die.
 
My late Great Uncle passed away a few years ago , in celebration of his 92 years , a bit of a spread was put on by the close family in a local venue .

I sat next to him and he did not know who I was , I grew up with this man , him as my hero .

A brilliant This is Your Life tribute followed , put together by his daughter and son in law . Once the Dunkirk evacuation was mentioned , details archived via the MOD , memories came back to him , he remembered the rifle number on his gun and the name of the boat that saved him .

He was uncertain and confused , but still had a quality of life in some way , to the end .

He spent his last days in Cefn Coed , the treatment he recived there was a credit to the NHS ,
 
If anyone wants their old folk euthanised get them over to RGH, Newport. They'll sort it for you.

In fact there's every chance they'll sort it whether you want them bumped off or not. They were pretty efficient getting rid of mine.

It's a well-worn path, I guess. Social services are swamped, there are delays in preparing care packages that lead to the old folk being held in hospital indefinitely. As time passes the old folk lose their independence, lose their mobility, their dignity, lose any resistance to viruses, and eventually lose their minds.

It's a hopeless cycle as the weeks turn into months. And almost in front of your eyes your old mum, who only went into A&E to be checked for cuts and bruises, is now a bona fide helpless bed-blocker. And you stood by and watched it happen, thinking the hospital staff were going to look after her. But they're not; not really. They're too busy, too demotivated, in some cases too dopey.

But still you're in disbelief. The doctors will discharge her soon, right? But no. Early conversations discussed "cuts and bruises" yet they now speak of "pneumonia" and "DNR". You pinch yourself. You try and apply the brakes, asking, in so many words, WTF is happening here? They lie, telling you "This is the best place for her". Complain and they'll counter with their well-practised "You can only discharge her if you guarantee you'll stay with her twenty-four-seven". Which of course you can't do. They've got her. They've got your old mum. She's doomed. And you let it come to this. Because you didn't know. You trusted them to look after her. You could have done more. But you didn't know you needed to.

And it all happens before your eyes, over a period of days that become weeks that become months.

Visiting your mum you walk past rows of beds filled with so many oldies who appear drugged; sedated. One day your mum appears drugged too. But she isn't. This is delirium. This is big. And this can't be undone.

Your mum, by now in and out of consciousness, is losing weight. You check her notes. "Refused food". Every meal this week has been declined. You try and find someone to speak to about it. There's no one. You want to scream. You decide to hang around the ward until dinner time. Someone eventually approaches her with a ham sandwich, plonks it in front of your oblivious old mum. It's left there, uneaten. "Refused food".

You glance up at the whiteboard above her bed. "VEGETARIAN" is written in red. The ham sandwich winks at you.

One day you visit accompanied by your wife. Your wife looks at the skeletal figure in bed and says "wrong room. That's not your mum". You nod your head sadly, indicating it is. Your wife starts to cry.

Eventually death comes. Your mum went in to have her cuts and bruises checked, and for an X-ray, after tripping in the street. But the very government departments put in place to help people like your old mum seem hell-bent on ensuring she never steps outside the hospital ever again. And maddeningly, somehow no one is to blame. But you blame yourself. And you never stop blaming yourself. And you want to shout from the rooftops to the sons and daughters sitting with their old mums in A&E "Don't leave your mum here for even one night". But no one is to blame.

Royal Gwent Hospital, Newport. I salute you, you absolute c***s.
 

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