Covid Deaths in Context

[Jackmanandboy]

https://adapnation.io/covid/

Data had no meaning except in context. We are regularly fed data in isolation. This analysis provides context.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Problem is you can’t catch most if any of the illnesses above Covid in that table from anyone else.

 

[Jackmanandboy]

Exactly, those top 10 causes are down significantly, what needs to be investigated first is the 50 percent drop in pneumonia and the 3797 excess deaths outside the top 10 causes.

 

[Cardiffjack]

Problem is you can’t catch most if any of the illnesses above Covid in that table from anyone else.

Problem is large percentage of those above the coronavirus, are preventable.

 

[Cardiffjack]

I believe only around 350 people under 65 who have no underlying conditions have died from coronavirus in the U.K. out of. Population of 67,000,000

 

[Jackmanandboy]

I believe only around 350 people under 65 who have no underlying conditions have died from coronavirus in the U.K. out of. Population of 67,000,000

The NHS data is in the attached it supports your post.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

 

[Jackmanandboy]

Problem is you can’t catch most if any of the illnesses above Covid in that table from anyone else.

Problem is large percentage of those above the coronavirus, are preventable.

About 25% of deaths each year are classified as avoidable by the ONS(150,000) see below. Avoidable metabolic disease is estimated to take up around 40% of the NHS budget.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/avoidablemortalityinenglandandwales/2017

 

[Cardiffjack]

Problem is large percentage of those above the coronavirus, are preventable.

About 25% of deaths each year are classified as avoidable by the ONS(150,000) see below. Avoidable metabolic disease is estimated to take up around 40% of the NHS budget.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/avoidablemortalityinenglandandwales/2017

Absolutely. I’m just a layman when it comes to medical/ scientific matters, but it’s something I’ve taken an interest in for over 20 years.

If you look at the NHS for example more money is invested every year and the Nation’s health gets worse each year, and that’s because the NHS doesn’t really spend much money on prevention and education.

Surely it would make more sense to prevent cancer, heart disease etc than actually treat it.

 

[Pacemaker]

I believe only around 350 people under 65 who have no underlying conditions have died from coronavirus in the U.K. out of. Population of 67,000,000

So are the over 65s expendable then? Does that make it ok, do elderly people who require hospital treatment deserve to die?

 

[Cardiffjack]

I believe only around 350 people under 65 who have no underlying conditions have died from coronavirus in the U.K. out of. Population of 67,000,000

So are the over 65s expendable then? Does that make it ok, do elderly people who require hospital treatment deserve to die?

Why are you making things up ? I never said such a thing.
I wish we all could live forever, but unfortunately we can’t.
What about the devastating effects the lockdowns are causing. We don’t lockdown every winter, to save people ( mostly elderly) from the flu.
There now is overwhelming evidence that locking down doesn’t save lives at all.

 

[Jackmanandboy]

1999 was year with a large number of flu deaths approaching 50,000.

This article makes interesting reading as it is from 2015.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34919149

 

[monmouth]

So are the over 65s expendable then? Does that make it ok, do elderly people who require hospital treatment deserve to die?

Why are you making things up ? I never said such a thing.
I wish we all could live forever, but unfortunately we can’t.
What about the devastating effects the lockdowns are causing. We don’t lockdown every winter, to save people ( mostly elderly) from the flu.
There now is overwhelming evidence that locking down doesn’t save lives at all.

? it was never meant to was it? Wasn't it meant to buy time (time that has been totally wasted by incompetent self obsessed arseholes) to sort out hospital provision and stop the existing capacity from being deluged? And how do you know that older people that have shielded haven't been saved from death by corona? What's your 'overwhelming evidence' for that?

 

[Jackmanandboy]

Why are you making things up ? I never said such a thing.
I wish we all could live forever, but unfortunately we can’t.
What about the devastating effects the lockdowns are causing. We don’t lockdown every winter, to save people ( mostly elderly) from the flu.
There now is overwhelming evidence that locking down doesn’t save lives at all.

? it was never meant to was it? Wasn't it meant to buy time (time that has been totally wasted by incompetent self obsessed arseholes) to sort out hospital provision and stop the existing capacity from being deluged? And how do you know that older people that have shielded haven't been saved from death by corona? What's your 'overwhelming evidence' for that?

That's at the heart of the argument with some scientists saying that lockdowns work and a few now saying it is very difficult to control the spread of the disease.

https://m.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/exclusive-to-unlocked-mike-yeadon/409747283542470/

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Why are you making things up ? I never said such a thing.
I wish we all could live forever, but unfortunately we can’t.
What about the devastating effects the lockdowns are causing. We don’t lockdown every winter, to save people ( mostly elderly) from the flu.
There now is overwhelming evidence that locking down doesn’t save lives at all.

? it was never meant to was it? Wasn't it meant to buy time (time that has been totally wasted by incompetent self obsessed arseholes) to sort out hospital provision and stop the existing capacity from being deluged? And how do you know that older people that have shielded haven't been saved from death by corona? What's your 'overwhelming evidence' for that?

It’s quite clear that lockdowns do what they’re supposed to do, which was never meant to be eradicating the virus.

 

[Cardiffjack]

? it was never meant to was it? Wasn't it meant to buy time (time that has been totally wasted by incompetent self obsessed arseholes) to sort out hospital provision and stop the existing capacity from being deluged? And how do you know that older people that have shielded haven't been saved from death by corona? What's your 'overwhelming evidence' for that?

It’s quite clear that lockdowns do what they’re supposed to do, which was never meant to be eradicating the virus.

Well that’s stating the obvious. The lockdown has been a disaster and will be felt for many years.