• ***IMPORTANT*** SOME PASSWORDS NOT WORKING

    There has been some issues with user passwords. Some users may need to reset their passwords to login to the forum. Please use the password reset option when logging in. If you do experience issues and find our account is locked then please email admin@jackarmy.net Thanks

Marilyn Manson

  • Thread starter Darran
  • Start date
  • Replies: Replies 28
  • Views: Views 5,298
Londonlisa2001 said:
MrSwerve said:
I’m a bit cynical when it comes to social media in general, but I get the feeling that (whether Manson is guilty or not), people post these types of things simply for ‘likes’ and attention. Similar to people who ‘check-in’ in hospital. Something potentially awful has happened, but they may as well get some social media attention at the same time. I dunno.

Rape and sexual assault allegations should be taken extremely seriously and shouldn’t be played out on social media. I see there’s an ‘I stand with you’ hashtag thing now going around. The police should ask that things like that be taken down while an investigation is going on.

Maybe I’m just out of touch. I really hope that the affected women went to the police first before reporting it on social media.

‘Reporting it on social media’?

Evan Rachel Wood testified in front of a Congressional Select Committee, testified in front of the California Senate and was instrumental in passing a new domestic violence bill in California. The name wasn’t publicly released thats all until she chose to do so.

No police prosecution could take place because the statute of limitations had passed (she was only about 19 or so when it started).

It’s been an open secret for years, he’s even given interviews talking about it, and the reason it’s now public is because there’s an investigation been started in California as several women had made serious allegations.

She’s not doing it for ‘likes’, she’s been diagnosed with PTSD because of all she’s suffered. The reality is that powerful men used to see this sort of stuff brushed under the carpet, and it’s only by making stuff so public that anything actually gets done. Note his label didn’t drop him after testimony before, even though the whole industry knew who was being spoken about. It’s only when it’s public that anything gets done against these monsters.

Even then, women are subjected to the ‘but...’ analysis:
‘It’s awful but she should have gone to the police
.......but she should have avoided social media
.......but some men are falsely accused and look how bad that makes it for them
.......but I’m uncomfortable at the court of public opinion‘

It’s made public as that leads to others coming forward as it’s almost impossible to build a case unless there are many testimonies that build a picture.

Sorry - I’m not saying you’re minimising this, but this stuff is so awful, the abuser issues some bollox about ‘consent’ and half of the internet takes his side.
I've never heard of Marilyn Manson, but on the general point, if people make accusations in public (possibly encouraging others to come forward) then on the other hand would it also be acceptable that the accusers history is also made public, put before the court etc ?
 
Darran said:
Londonlisa2001 said:
‘Reporting it on social media’?

Evan Rachel Wood testified in front of a Congressional Select Committee, testified in front of the California Senate and was instrumental in passing a new domestic violence bill in California. The name wasn’t publicly released thats all until she chose to do so.

No police prosecution could take place because the statute of limitations had passed (she was only about 19 or so when it started).

It’s been an open secret for years, he’s even given interviews talking about it, and the reason it’s now public is because there’s an investigation been started in California as several women had made serious allegations.

She’s not doing it for ‘likes’, she’s been diagnosed with PTSD because of all she’s suffered. The reality is that powerful men used to see this sort of stuff brushed under the carpet, and it’s only by making stuff so public that anything actually gets done. Note his label didn’t drop him after testimony before, even though the whole industry knew who was being spoken about. It’s only when it’s public that anything gets done against these monsters.

Even then, women are subjected to the ‘but...’ analysis:
‘It’s awful but she should have gone to the police
.......but she should have avoided social media
.......but some men are falsely accused and look how bad that makes it for them
.......but I’m uncomfortable at the court of public opinion‘

It’s made public as that leads to others coming forward as it’s almost impossible to build a case unless there are many testimonies that build a picture.

Sorry - I’m not saying you’re minimising this, but this stuff is so awful, the abuser issues some bollox about ‘consent’ and half of the internet takes his side.

Nobody is minimising it but I still find it interesting someone could ruin someone’s life by making a post on social media in the 21st century.
I am not talking about this case.

Yeah, that was my point, perhaps a bit clumsily made. Like I said, I don’t really know anything about this particular case.

Same goes for the other way around in terms of sexes. Don’t want to make this a women vs men thing.
 
Good article.

https://www.loudersound.com/amp/features/we-need-to-talk-about-the-response-to-the-marilyn-manson-abuse-allegations?__twitter_impression=true
 
Dirty horrible bastard.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55978474
 
Darran said:
https://people.com/music/marilyn-manson-ex-ashley-morgan-smithline-details-abuse-cover-story/

That is absolutely shocking, didn’t mind his old stuff absolutely sh!t live at Download few years back and I won’t be listening to his music again, the amount of torture these people have suffered is ridiculous, Manson has always had people judging him for being a weirdo and now this has certainly proved everyone right, what a scumbag.
 
So was she raped or wasn’t she raped?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/25/marilyn-manson-esme-bianco-settle-sexual-assault-lawsuit
 
Darran said:
So was she raped or wasn’t she raped?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/25/marilyn-manson-esme-bianco-settle-sexual-assault-lawsuit

Only those two know for sure. But he settled the lawsuit so…
 
Regardless of his guilt or not, it doesn't seem a reach to guess that he gets up to some unusual activity in private. I can see why he wouldn't want that revealed to the media, especially following the Depp/Heard circus recently.

Doesn't indicate he's innocent or guilty, just probably an extra incentive to settle.
 

Cardiff City v Swansea City

Online statistics

Members online
70
Guests online
706
Total visitors
776

Forum statistics

Threads
20,623
Messages
281,265
Members
4,713
Back
Top