Norwich have Kim Hellberg on their radar

[Smurph]

We’re going to be told in a minute that all the other teams use it as well. They may well do to be honest but it won’t change my mind on stats driven football, or specifically the xG shite anyway. And stats driven managers are the worst, and you won’t change my mind.

I get data analytics for fitness and so on.

What I won't buy in to is looking at a spreadsheet to tell me if a player can score a goal or not.

 

[bytholwyn]

We’re going to be told in a minute that all the other teams use it as well. They may well do to be honest but it won’t change my mind on stats driven football, or specifically the xG shite anyway. And stats driven managers are the worst, and you won’t change my mind.

All the other teams use it as well...

 

[JackSomething]

All the other teams use it as well...

Some scouts over the years have been better at identifying players for their clubs than other scouts, that's human nature after all. Now some analysts/scouts at football clubs are better at using analytics alongside traditional scouting methods (watching the player play for example) than others are. For some reason introducing a new concept or a computer freaks some people out.

 

[Deleted member 1454]

For some reason introducing a new concept or a computer freaks some people out.

I don't think it's "a computer" per se that freaks people out.

It's people who misinterpret data to further their own agenda that pisses people off.

You know the type. They set up Twitter accounts dedicated to Matt Grimes and his 90% pass completion rates. With no context applied to it whatsoever. And by omitting the stats that don't fit their narrative ie no goals, few assists, few shots, few tackles etc.

That's what grips people's shit.

 

[bytholwyn]

I don't think it's "a computer" per se that freaks people out.

It's people who misinterpret data to further their own agenda that pisses people off.

You know the type. They set up Twitter accounts dedicated to Matt Grimes and his 90% pass completion rates. With no context applied to it whatsoever. And by omitting the stats that don't fit their narrative ie no goals, few assists, few shots, few tackles etc.

That's what grips people's shit.

Except the truth is the opposite of that. Where people ignore the myriad stats that demonstrate his all round ability. Such as his long ball completion being up there with the best in the league. Yet you would think he only ever passes sideways and backwards, judging by comments on here.

 

[Dr. Winston]

Except the truth is the opposite of that. Where people ignore the myriad stats that demonstrate his all round ability. Such as his long ball completion being up there with the best in the league. Yet you would think he only ever passes sideways and backwards, judging by comments on here.

We watched us play with him, every game, for years. We've also watched us play without him for three months. Watching us play without him is better. No spreadsheets needed to notice that.

One of the figures most used to sing his praises was completed passes in the final third. If you're just looking at the numbers, you're going to be impressed. If you're watching the games and you realise that the vast majority of those are to the wingers who have been ordered to pass it right back to him if they can't take their man on then it's much less so.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Remember when Mark Gower was the best player in all of Europe’s top leagues? Fuck sake mun

 

[Ringwood]

Hammarby 17 shots today. 1 on target

Data heaven

 

[JackSomething]

I don't think it's "a computer" per se that freaks people out.

It's people who misinterpret data to further their own agenda that pisses people off.

You know the type. They set up Twitter accounts dedicated to Matt Grimes and his 90% pass completion rates. With no context applied to it whatsoever. And by omitting the stats that don't fit their narrative ie no goals, few assists, few shots, few tackles etc.

That's what grips people's shit.

That's a fair point.

 

[bytholwyn]

We watched us play with him, every game, for years. We've also watched us play without him for three months. Watching us play without him is better. No spreadsheets needed to notice that.

One of the figures most used to sing his praises was completed passes in the final third. If you're just looking at the numbers, you're going to be impressed. If you're watching the games and you realise that the vast majority of those are to the wingers who have been ordered to pass it right back to him if they can't take their man on then it's much less so.

The point about Grimes is that he did what he was asked to do, which he did with remarkable consistency. We never got to see him under Sheehan, so no one can say how he would have performed. My guess is he would have looked a very different player. Having said that O'Brien certainly suits the high intensity Sheehan game plan better than Grimes, so things have worked out in our favour. At least in this season.

 

[Smurph]

The point about Grimes is that he did what he was asked to do, which he did with remarkable consistency. We never got to see him under Sheehan, so no one can say how he would have performed. My guess is he would have looked a very different player. Having said that O'Brien certainly suits the high intensity Sheehan game plan better than Grimes, so things have worked out in our favour. At least in this season.

Matt Grimes played exactly the same way under every manager we've had since he broke in to the first team.

That wouldn't change under Sheehan.

 

[bytholwyn]

Matt Grimes played exactly the same way under every manager we've had since he broke in to the first team.

That wouldn't change under Sheehan.

If you look at Grimes' stats in the 7 game stint of Sheehan's last season he was POTM twice and had ratings over 7 in all other games apart from the Southampton debacle. Loads of passes into the final third, chances created, ground duels won, long balls completed, and the obligatory high general pass completion.

 

[Smurph]

If you look at Grimes' stats in the 7 game stint of Sheehan's last season he was POTM twice and had ratings over 7 in all other games apart from the Southampton debacle. Loads of passes into the final third, chances created, ground duels won, long balls completed, and the obligatory high general pass completion.

You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still going to be a pig.