Swans fans split on Cooper future

[swansnews]

I think it is fair to say that tensions are running high amongst the Swans fanbase at the moment.   Recent defeats to Bournemouth, Cardiff City, Birmingham and Preston have not just taken away any hope we had of automatic promotion but they have severely damaged the likelihood of us reaching the play...

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[Dr. Winston]

Changing managers is a nuisance. Disruptive, costly, with no guarantees of the next guy being any better, but the idea of another season of football as often dull as the last two is possibly even worse.

 

[Pegojack]

Yeah, half want to hang him and half want to shoot him.

 

[monmouth]

Someone on one of those you tube things (I put them on when painting to make painting seem more interesting) genuinely said he wanted him to stay 5 years for 'stability' so we can establish a playing style.

It's like people just don't watch. Anyone seriously want Cooperball as our established playing style? I'd rather spoon my own eyes out. The sentiment of continuity is superficially sensible, although it'll never happen as success will mean them leaving and failure...well...

Continuity for proper football must come from club philosophy and not appointing shape obsessed badgemen or powerpoint snake oil frauds that sell you the earth and deliver the shit.

The consensus on this you tube thing was it would be 'mad' to sack him with 8 games to go, even though we might do a 'Forest'. Well now, ask Forest if they wish they'd sacked their hopeless numpty with 8 games to go, as they weren't winning the play offs even if they'd scraped in. Now look at them. Nowhere. That's our future with our punter unless something dramatically changes. So we just have to ask ourselves, do we feel lucky...well, do we, punks.?

 

[swan65split]

Someone on one of those you tube things (I put them on when painting to make painting seem more interesting) genuinely said he wanted him to stay 5 years for 'stability' so we can establish a playing style.

It's like people just don't watch. Anyone seriously want Cooperball as our established playing style? I'd rather spoon my own eyes out. The sentiment of continuity is superficially sensible, although it'll never happen as success will mean them leaving and failure...well...

Continuity for proper football must come from club philosophy and not appointing shape obsessed badgemen or powerpoint snake oil frauds that sell you the earth and deliver the s**t.

The consensus on this you tube thing was it would be 'mad' to sack him with 8 games to go, even though we might do a 'Forest'. Well now, ask Forest if they wish they'd sacked their hopeless numpty with 8 games to go, as they weren't winning the play offs even if they'd scraped in. Now look at them. Nowhere. That's our future with our punter unless something dramatically changes. So we just have to ask ourselves, do we feel lucky...well, do we, punks.?

5 years!!!!! FFS, I am at an age where it"ll be lucky if i am still around by then :lol: and dont fancy watching a cple of years of whats being dished out to us ATM .

Ive also seen a lot happen at the club in my time, and quite honestly feel very worried about the future if they persist with Cooper, despite what the top so called experts on sky etc say about him, they dont have the same empathy for the club as many a JB.

The football weve been served this season is an image of what was served to us and what I class as Monkism and Greggism, older fans will know what I am referring too, Thank goodness for Harry Griffiths.

 

[legoman]

I have read several thread contributions from the great and good from Planet Swans Land, and the one theme that comes through is that of luck. It seems clear to me that Cooper just does not have the tactical nous to be able to properly read the game and make the necessary changes to counter the opposition. We heard from a couple of managers recently that our style of play was "predictable" and "easy to read" and hence we have been out thought and out played by teams in the lower reaches of the league that, really we should at a bare minimum have been giving a far tougher game.

Logically it would be foolish to sack Cooper with so few games left, but I'm coming to the conclusion that what harm can it actually do? There are others on the coaching staff that are just as capable of putting together a "paint by numbers" PowerPoint for each of the remaining games and if its true that Cooper has lost the dressing room then really, could a Tate/Leon combo be any worse? Would we as fans feel that at least we'd given the last few games a go rather than bumbling along having no shots on target, let alone no goals.

In any event, surely no-one on here could possible countenance Cooper being manager in the unlikely event we were promoted to the PL, so he'll have to go anyway!

 

[monmouth]

My prediction? He will be manager until the end of October, promotion or not and new contract or not. If we stay down, he may last until November.

 

[Baron Goblet]

Aside from Bournemouth, the teams we have lost to recently played a style many are deriding. Birmingam in particular.

Then there is the commercial consideration during a pandemic. It would be preferable to see if Steve gets a better offer if he chooses to talk with other suitors.

Cardiff jusy got dicked by Sheffield. The manager change bounce may happen but I doubt we can catch Watford any more and we are unlikely to win the play offs in my view.

Steve changed formation for Preston which indicates it is the players that are being beaten.

The subs situation I get is questionable, the Brum game in particular. This I think needs to change for Millwall. He should rotate Jamal and Andre.

Steve stays and gets my support, gets another 3 or 4 loanees including two Strikers for next season. The Andre cash saving should be enough to rebuild.

 

[Captain_Sham]

Aside from Bournemouth, the teams we have lost to recently played a style many are deriding. Birmingam in particular.

Then there is the commercial consideration during a pandemic. It would be preferable to see if Steve gets a better offer if he chooses to talk with other suitors.

Cardiff jusy got dicked by Sheffield. The manager change bounce may happen but I doubt we can catch Watford any more and we are unlikely to win the play offs in my view.

Steve changed formation for Preston which indicates it is the players that are being beaten.

The subs situation I get is questionable, the Brum game in particular. This I think needs to change for Millwall. He should rotate Jamal and Andre.

Steve stays and gets my support, gets another 3 or 4 loanees including two Strikers for next season. The Andre cash saving should be enough to rebuild.

Andres wages are going but so are the parachute payments. No rebuild money.

 

[Jinxy]

Poor teams and playing styles can get promoted. Cardiff proved that.

This is an entertainment business, so for me it's all about restoring our playing style, regardless of which league we are in. I've noticed that no-one has mentioned the "Swansea way" in a long time, because our identity, currently, has gone.

So it's a simple question really - will Cooper ever subscribe to that style? I think not. Replacing him at season end, regardless of what happens and where we are, makes more sense to me - more availability and preparation.

If Cooper goes, the big question is what kind of style, and therefore coach, do Winter and our wonderful owners want.

 

[Dr. Winston]

If Cooper goes, the big question is what kind of style, and therefore coach, do Winter and our wonderful owners want.

Given the stated involvement of Curtis and Britton in Cooper's appointment it would appear that they wanted the same entertainment we did, or at least were happy to leave the decision to others.

 

[Jinxy]

If Cooper goes, the big question is what kind of style, and therefore coach, do Winter and our wonderful owners want.

Given the stated involvement of Curtis and Britton in Cooper's appointment it would appear that they wanted the same entertainment we did, or at least were happy to leave the decision to others.

Yes, I agree that's likely. Also relinquishes responsibility! I think Leon and Curt made the decision taking into account all factors at the time. The only argument is for Toshack (had he already departed though? Can't recall).

Cooper has hit his limit in terms of tactical ability, man management and judgement, and ability to think straight under pressure. His advantages in terms of contacts have subsided too.

If we want more, or even different, then we should part company. I like to think he won't be in charge in 6 months, and it is a shame he couldn't develop, as there were positive signs for a while imho.

 

[Best_loser]

Cooper will be looking for a move , a play off spot two seasons running is a good record, if he stays and next season we are the other end of the table it won't look so good for him
Expect him to move on

 

[Swansea93]

Can see Cooper moving on in the summer also, only way he stays is if he gets us promoted, as you say he will want to leave whilst is stock is high, but from the media links he’s been linked to Sheffield, Palace and England U21s.

I am also sure that if he did leave that Winter will be straight on the buzzer to David Wagner, few bits on Wagner below..

Most people would see Wagner’s style as Klopp esque due to his high pressing and energetic style with also the passion on the touchline.

During his time with The Terriers, Wagner has stuck mostly with a 4-2-3-1 system this particular system allows Wagner to get his players to play the aggressive energetic pressing style that most young modern managers are playing today. His teams press the ball as soon as they lose possession and the ball goes into wider areas. They trigger the press trying to make two vs three situations with the wingers coming in more narrow to support the striker in winning the ball back, hunting in packs and making it difficult to find options for the defence to play out from as they are usually being double or tripled up on. He also wants his two central midfield players to push forward leaving zero options in the centre of the pitch basically “suffocating” the space that the opposition has to work with.

 

[bakajack]

From my opinion those who have said to give him more time have more often than not been those who don't watch the games and just watch the highlights or look at the stats. For example one of my mates pointed to the Cardiff game and said we dominated possession and shots and would have won that match 7 times out of 10.

Anyone who watched that game knows how slow and pedestrian we were, Cardiff were happy to sit back on their lead and let us have the ball knowing we didn't have the one touch passing tempo to unlock them to get clear sights at goal.