U23 developing

[3swan]

WE COULD PLAY A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET RESULTS, BUT THAT WILL NOT CREATE FIRST-TEAM PLAYERS

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/kristian-oleary-we-could-play-different-way-get-results-will-not-create-first-team-players

So it's official, we prepare our U23's not to get results so that they are ready for the 1st team.

 

[Pontyjack]

WE COULD PLAY A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET RESULTS, BUT THAT WILL NOT CREATE FIRST-TEAM PLAYERS

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/kristian-oleary-we-could-play-different-way-get-results-will-not-create-first-team-players

So it's official, we prepare our U23's not to get results so that they are ready for the 1st team.

I interpreted that comment in exactly the same way as you

 

[Risc]

He’s been briefed on doing a job, and he’s doing it. I don’t think that’s a dig at Martin at all?

Only thing I would say, and it’s not criticising Martin at all and love what he’s trying to do here, but I do find it a bit unnerving we are shaping our whole club around his ideas, when he has showed previously one offer he’s gone and we will be looking for new manager who will have his own ideas. I agree with Martin, his ways are unique.

 

[Swanjaxs]

KOL should never have got the job in the first place, We should have stuck with the tried and tested policy of entrusting our young professionals development to postmen who plied thier trade in the Swansea Senior League...

 

[Bryanswan]

Nothing wrong with playing the same brand of football as the first team. It doesn't need to be exact, but it needs to maintain the same principles if any of them are to ever successfully break into the team.
It may not be getting results right now, but it will be giving players experience of playing the way RM wants and hopefully they would be more than capable to fill in if/when required.

 

[PSumbler]

Nothing wrong with playing the same brand of football as the first team. It doesn't need to be exact, but it needs to maintain the same principles if any of them are to ever successfully break into the team.
It may not be getting results right now, but it will be giving players experience of playing the way RM wants and hopefully they would be more than capable to fill in if/when required.

This was actually essential to a previous RM in a certain Martinez. He insisted that all teams at the Swans (from the youngest youth team through to the first team) all played to the same style

Its the right way although not sure of the teaching them losing games mind :lol:

 

[MajorR]

Good post which makes total sense.

What’s the point in having a first team who play a particular way and then having an under 23 team who play a “Cardiff” type game. The purpose of the academy and age grade teams is to develop players who will go on to play for the first team. It makes sense to have a pattern/style and the aim should be seamless transitions between teams.

 

[Cooperman]

I don't have a problem with this approach whatsoever. The backroom staff will ensure that the post game debrief focuses on positives concerning adoption of philosophy rather than a negative result. If the mental approach is correct then it's possible to maintain confidence within a team with poor results and it very much appears to be the case here.

 

[Bryanswan]

Nothing wrong with playing the same brand of football as the first team. It doesn't need to be exact, but it needs to maintain the same principles if any of them are to ever successfully break into the team.
It may not be getting results right now, but it will be giving players experience of playing the way RM wants and hopefully they would be more than capable to fill in if/when required.

This was actually essential to a previous RM in a certain Martinez. He insisted that all teams at the Swans (from the youngest youth team through to the first team) all played to the same style

Its the right way although not sure of the teaching them losing games mind :lol:

Yes the way theyve been getting on isnt great although the aim is developing players and not winning u21 trophies. Saying that though i don't go to the games so dont know how theyve played in them.

 

[J_B]

It would be pretty dumb to play a different way at U23 level.

 

[Darran]

He’s been briefed on doing a job, and he’s doing it. I don’t think that’s a dig at Martin at all?

Only thing I would say, and it’s not criticising Martin at all and love what he’s trying to do here, but I do find it a bit unnerving we are shaping our whole club around his ideas, when he has showed previously one offer he’s gone and we will be looking for new manager who will have his own ideas. I agree with Martin, his ways are unique.

I agree with you.
I said this a few weeks ago but if your philosophy on football is to be passing the ball around between keeper and fullbacks in the last minute of the game when you’re 0-1 down away to Middlesbrough instead of banging it into the mixer to try and get something out of the game there’s something seriously wrong.
That’s not a philosophy that’s utter bollox.

 

[Risc]

He’s been briefed on doing a job, and he’s doing it. I don’t think that’s a dig at Martin at all?

Only thing I would say, and it’s not criticising Martin at all and love what he’s trying to do here, but I do find it a bit unnerving we are shaping our whole club around his ideas, when he has showed previously one offer he’s gone and we will be looking for new manager who will have his own ideas. I agree with Martin, his ways are unique.

I agree with you.
I said this a few weeks ago but if your philosophy on football is to be passing the ball around between keeper and fullbacks in the last minute of the game when you’re 0-1 down away to Middlesbrough instead of banging it into the mixer to try and get something out of the game there’s something seriously wrong.
That’s not a philosophy that’s utter bollox.

I love possession based football and us keeping it on the deck but I much preferred Potter’s way of attacking with some intent, we are negative with our possession at the moment imo, hoping that can change with new personnel but proof will be in pudding.

 

[Darran]

I agree with you.
I said this a few weeks ago but if your philosophy on football is to be passing the ball around between keeper and fullbacks in the last minute of the game when you’re 0-1 down away to Middlesbrough instead of banging it into the mixer to try and get something out of the game there’s something seriously wrong.
That’s not a philosophy that’s utter bollox.

I love possession based football and us keeping it on the deck but I much preferred Potter’s way of attacking with some intent, we are negative with our possession at the moment imo, hoping that can change with new personnel but proof will be in pudding.

Well yes there’s no reason why we can’t mix it up on times and play with some urgency.
I think it was the same night as we lost to Middlesbrough where MOTD were enthusing over the Arsenal keeper creating attacks by making pinpoint passes and creating attacks by kicking the ball from his hands on the edge of the area.

 

[PSumbler]

I agree with you.
I said this a few weeks ago but if your philosophy on football is to be passing the ball around between keeper and fullbacks in the last minute of the game when you’re 0-1 down away to Middlesbrough instead of banging it into the mixer to try and get something out of the game there’s something seriously wrong.
That’s not a philosophy that’s utter bollox.

I love possession based football and us keeping it on the deck but I much preferred Potter’s way of attacking with some intent, we are negative with our possession at the moment imo, hoping that can change with new personnel but proof will be in pudding.

The only issue with possession based football is you need real pace in the side to make it work effectively

Back to Brendan's days with Rangel, Dyer, Routledge, Taylor - it all worked and we used it to create space

We simply dont do that now which is how we end up with endless passes around the edge of the area

 

[Risc]

I love possession based football and us keeping it on the deck but I much preferred Potter’s way of attacking with some intent, we are negative with our possession at the moment imo, hoping that can change with new personnel but proof will be in pudding.

The only issue with possession based football is you need real pace in the side to make it work effectively

Back to Brendan's days with Rangel, Dyer, Routledge, Taylor - it all worked and we used it to create space

We simply dont do that now which is how we end up with endless passes around the edge of the area

Lack of pace is a huge issue in this side, Laird actually wasn’t as quick as I thought he was going to be, but now he’s gone, there’s literally no one in original starting XI with any notable speed.