VAR

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Absolutely killing the game, it's got to go.

 

[bakajack]

In fairness it was a foul on Eriksson so I would have no complaints with that one.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Right decision, but as i said earlier they take way too long to come to the decision. Rugby union have got it down to a tee. But of course, the football bods are too precious to be seen to take advice from the nasty rugger buggers :roll:

 

[Best_loser]

Been a terrible weekend for VAR , it was supposed to end human error yet lee mason is still a human being making errors , I think its a good thing but they need to make sure they have the best people making the decisions and when they make a bad one they should pay a price , maybe a time suspension or something

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Never a foul, soft as shit

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

One hell of a game though

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Like I said, soft as shite

 

[K23]

Absolutely killing the game, it's got to go.

VAR isn't killing the game, it's the muppets who use it making decisions they're not really qualified to make and they should have input from someone that's actually played the game. Just because a player is hurt, doesn't mean he was fouled because the impact is usually just as much his fault as his opponent, it's just that in any impact, someone will always come off worse. Players will always know this much more than VAR operators.

 

[bakajack]

Absolutely killing the game, it's got to go.

VAR isn't killing the game, it's the muppets who use it making decisions they're not really qualified to make and they should have input from someone that's actually played the game. Just because a player is hurt, doesn't mean he was fouled because the impact is usually just as much his fault as his opponent, it's just that in any impact, someone will always come off worse. Players will always know this much more than VAR operators.

Spot on, pretty much exactly what Shearer had said too on MOTD.
Refs and ex professionals will have very different perspectives on the same incidents.

 

[Manselton Jack]

Absolutely killing the game, it's got to go.

VAR isn't killing the game, it's the muppets who use it making decisions they're not really qualified to make and they should have input from someone that's actually played the game. Just because a player is hurt, doesn't mean he was fouled because the impact is usually just as much his fault as his opponent, it's just that in any impact, someone will always come off worse. Players will always know this much more than VAR operators.

I agree with you that the way VAR is being used is the problem which is a shame because the technology should improve the decision making & its not.
Not sure about bringing in ex players though, how many times have you seen them trotting out the 'he was touched he had every right to go down' bollocks when a striker is trying to 'win' a soft penalty?

 

[bakajack]

VAR isn't killing the game, it's the muppets who use it making decisions they're not really qualified to make and they should have input from someone that's actually played the game. Just because a player is hurt, doesn't mean he was fouled because the impact is usually just as much his fault as his opponent, it's just that in any impact, someone will always come off worse. Players will always know this much more than VAR operators.

I agree with you that the way VAR is being used is the problem which is a shame because the technology should improve the decision making & its not.
Not sure about bringing in ex players though, how many times have you seen them trotting out the 'he was touched he had every right to go down' bollocks when a striker is trying to 'win' a soft penalty?

Sounds to me like the solution is to have both an ex player and a ref together when reviewing a non offside decision (penalty or red card review) - if both agree then call the on field ref to review the monitor, if they don't agree then on field decision stands

 

[Manselton Jack]

I agree with you that the way VAR is being used is the problem which is a shame because the technology should improve the decision making & its not.
Not sure about bringing in ex players though, how many times have you seen them trotting out the 'he was touched he had every right to go down' bollocks when a striker is trying to 'win' a soft penalty?

Sounds to me like the solution is to have both an ex player and a ref together when reviewing a non offside decision (penalty or red card review) - if both agree then call the on field ref to review the monitor, if they don't agree then on field decision stands

That's fair enough as long as any decision is made quickly, taking a couple of minutes & still getting it wrong is just rubbish

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Just go back to the old way, just the ref on the pitch calling it rightly or wrongly. We seemed to get by on it for many years.

Human error cannot be taken out of the process so what's the point of adding technology that just slows down the game and interrupts it.

 

[Swanjaxs]

VAR was brought in to correct human error, when humans still get it wrong after scrutinising angle after angle, it does make you wonder what's the point.
Keep goal line technology because that works well, but if you have to draw lines to see if a players kneecap is playing someone onside/offside then just give the attacking side the benefit of the doubt.

 

[bakajack]

I have no issues with VAR itself, its the implementation that is all fucked up.

As far as offsides are concerned there needs to be a level of leeway, for example if the lines are touching then the attacker has the benefit of the doubt, offsides should not be determined by a player's armpit hair.

With fouls in buildup to goals and penalty claims then a team of 1 ref and 1 ex player should have 2 minutes to determine if there is a clear and obvious error from the referee, if they fail to both agree or time elapses then the game moves on.

Red card reviews can take place while the game continues, it is extremely rare that another minute or two of play will make a difference. If a player is sent off by ref then the two minute rule above comes into play instead.

They should also implement the suggestion of two 30 minute halves and the clock stopped for any stoppages or breaks in play.