Cardiff Rugby Club Set For Administration

[TheLoneRanger]

Cardiff head into administration with WRU set for takeover

Cardiff Rugby will declare their intention to go into administration with the Welsh Rugby Union in line for a takeover of the regional side.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Neath_Jack]

WRU would NEVER let them go through. However, just another example of the mess Welsh rugby is in.

Need to get their begging bowl out and plead to be let into the English system. There’s no money and no interest in the regions now.

 

[Cooperman]

WRU would NEVER let them go through. However, just another example of the mess Welsh rugby is in.

Need to get their begging bowl out and plead to be let into the English system. There’s no money and no interest in the regions now.

It goes much wider than that, sadly. The financial state of the English club game is not much brighter and most of the top tier clubs are insolvent in terms of balance sheet and run at huge losses. Safeguarding of the club game in England, Wales and Scotland needs a very deep review.

 

[Neath_Jack]

It goes much wider than that, sadly. The financial state of the English club game is not much brighter and most of the top tier clubs are insolvent in terms of balance sheet and run at huge losses. Safeguarding of the club game in England, Wales and Scotland needs a very deep review.

Aye my comment was about the interest in games.

 

[Cooperman]

Aye my comment was about the interest in games.

You mentioned interest and money. Cardiff Blues playing home against an English team once every three or four weeks won’t save them, just as it didn’t save Wasps, Irish, Worcester. A huge reboot is needed and some better sustainability rules put in place.

 

[monmouth]

Very football-like. They were bragging abut their 'investment' from these shysters not so long ago. We only need three 'regions' at most, they should be left to go to the wall, they'd certainly be arguing for the Ospreys to be ditched, but that won't happen, and in my opinion there has to rugby in Cardiff and Swansea for Welsh rugby to have any chance of survival - it's pretty much cooked anyway as far as I can see.

 

[Darran]

 

[Cooperman]

Very football-like. They were bragging abut their 'investment' from these shysters not so long ago. We only need three 'regions' at most, they should be left to go to the wall, they'd certainly be arguing for the Ospreys to be ditched, but that won't happen, and in my opinion there has to rugby in Cardiff and Swansea for Welsh rugby to have any chance of survival - it's pretty much cooked anyway as far as I can see.

Do you think there is room for three regions? I sway on this decision.

 

[Neath_Jack]

You mentioned interest and money. Cardiff Blues playing home against an English team once every three or four weeks won’t save them, just as it didn’t save Wasps, Irish, Worcester. A huge reboot is needed and some better sustainability rules put in place.

I know, I typed it. Trust me on this now, one of the biggest issues is interest, be it at grass roots village teams or one of the big regions. Playing stellar opposition at region level will
Absolutely generate a bigger interest, that will
In turn generate bigger income, not from gates but from sponsorship and advertising, tv money etc etc. it isn’t the cure, but it is a plaster for now, it needs massive changes, which a couple of Swans fans on a message board could never address.

 

[monmouth]

Do you think there is room for three regions? I sway on this decision.

Certainly not 4, but I think 2 restricts the base too much. Despite Neathie's point about lack of interest, which is an absolutely fair one...the football team has taken over the mantle of 'welshness' at international level for now too...I think two teams in the English league (I'd like Swansea and Cardiff) and one in the terrible URC as a development team (Newnelli or llanport, take your pick ) would be my pick.

I think Cardiff Rugby were getting semi decent crowds, and the move to St Helens should help the Ospreys. That said, I think it's all too late anyway. I'm certainly one that has lost interest, and Downturn Abi will soldier on with 4, spending money the WRU doesn't have to rescue its darling Cardiff, and Welsh rugby will continue to die and then she will naff off to her next sinecure, untouched.

 

[monmouth]

I know, I typed it. Trust me on this now, one of the biggest issues is interest, be it at grass roots village teams or one of the big regions. Playing stellar opposition at region level will
Absolutely generate a bigger interest, that will
In turn generate bigger income, not from gates but from sponsorship and advertising, tv money etc etc. it isn’t the cure, but it is a plaster for now, it needs massive changes, which a couple of Swans fans on a message board could never address.

I was at the Lib when it was full, with an excited crowd watching Ospreys play Leicester in a European knock out. It was great, even though the game was attritional. So you're right, it can be done, A winning team is all you need to regenerate interest. Can't see where that is coming from, and without it, it's a downward spiral. The English league would be no good if the Welsh still got humped.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I was at the Lib when it was full, with an excited crowd watching Ospreys play Leicester in a European knock out. It was great, even though the game was attritional. So you're right, it can be done, A winning team is all you need to regenerate interest. Can't see where that is coming from, and without it, it's a downward spiral. The English league would be no good if the Welsh still got humped.

The Welsh teams in the English system would absolutely get humped, which then lends itself to reducing the regions. Have they got the appetite for that? I don’t think they have personally.

 

[Cooperman]

Certainly not 4, but I think 2 restricts the base too much. Despite Neathie's point about lack of interest, which is an absolutely fair one...the football team has taken over the mantle of 'welshness' at international level for now too...I think two teams in the English league (I'd like Swansea and Cardiff) and one in the terrible URC as a development team (Newnelli or llanport, take your pick ) would be my pick.

I think Cardiff Rugby were getting semi decent crowds, and the move to St Helens should help the Ospreys. That said, I think it's all too late anyway. I'm certainly one that has lost interest, and Downturn Abi will soldier on with 4, spending money the WRU doesn't have to rescue its darling Cardiff, and Welsh rugby will continue to die and then she will naff off to her next sinecure, untouched.

I think three is probably the optimum solution, and that’s three in the South rather than moving one North where the roots are nowhere near as strong.

 

[Cooperman]

The Welsh teams in the English system would absolutely get humped, which then lends itself to reducing the regions. Have they got the appetite for that? I don’t think they have personally.

That’s why I don’t favour it as the next step. Dai from up the valley will put up with two thrashings, three at most before he goes back to watching village rugby. Big sponsors won’t want to be associated with empty stadiums and the format will die very quickly.

A more level playing field needs to be created, like it most certainly was when the Liberty would be packed out for the top European games. The English clubs have since been allowed to run away with spending, and I don’t know why because the country is large enough to fill the talent pool, and we’ve now got the situation where they are going bust, but miles ahead of Welsh and Scottish club rugby. I had a look at the figures, total debt of English Premiership teams is £250m, eye watering numbers in football let alone rugby, and none of the top ten are profitable. Bridging the gap to the English game is key, but I think England teams have to step down more than Welsh regions step up. Stronger salary caps would help hugely with sustainability, whilst not necessarily impacting on international performance. I hope that the respective unions can find a common solution for all home nations.

 

[Niigata Jack]

I was at the Lib when it was full, with an excited crowd watching Ospreys play Leicester in a European knock out. It was great, even though the game was attritional. So you're right, it can be done, A winning team is all you need to regenerate interest. Can't see where that is coming from, and without it, it's a downward spiral. The English league would be no good if the Welsh still got humped.

Ospreys v Scarlets was a decent game on Sunday, looked like there were plenty there, not sure of figure though, just had a look on the match report on BBC Sport but they don't give the attendance.

People on about getting Shaun Edwards in is laughable, he'll end up in the same boat, the game in Wales needs massive work not a top quality coach who'll be another one trying to work with his hands tied behind his back.