ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ?

[rockinj]

I think I referenced Sheehan was ‘the Cardiff gambit’ at the time. Personally I thought they had to give him a shot..to not would have invited worse criticism had their choice failed, but I would have gone for a contract that was short term or a low cost exit, as the risk of the current situation becoming real was easily envisaged. If he wouldn’t accept that, then you have the impetus and public reason to look elsewhere (we made a fair offer given his lack of experience, he turned it down). As it is, my thinking was January or March next year for evaluation, but the 9 games I’ve seen have been so bad and alarming, and his inability to motivate and adapt so stark, I’m not sure we now have that luxury, and things will have to improve quickly. And I’m not someone that’s spunked millions…if I was he’d be in my office explaining wtf he’s doing.

I agree we can’t keep sacking managers every 5 minutes, so maybe look at putting someone alongside him to challenge him and help him improve and get rid of any yes men and nodding dogs. Manage him, support him, kick him into gear. Not even sure any of that’s feasible but sacking should become the last resort not the first.

He needs to win on Saturday.

Sensible comments. The short contract argument is a fair one. My challenge is simply that the summer for me was pivotal for us and taking a chance on a great bloke with his heart in the right place wasn’t the right call for me.

A hard headed decision would have been to say thanks mate. Wonderful achievement go and show how good you can be in L1 or L2 with a fantastic reference.

 

[ARQS]

The sensible part of me knows this isn't true but I almost feel conned by the sort of football we played last season under him to the sort we are playing this season.

The change in our style and the enjoyment was pretty much achieved overnight after Williams was sacked, so I'm not quite sure I buy the "we've got loads of new signings" argument.

 

[Dr. Winston]

taking a chance on a great bloke with his heart in the right place wasn’t the right call for me.

That's not what we did though, as much as the professional hindsight artists are trying to pretend otherwise right now.

We appointed a guy who had delivered significantly improved results and performances across two separate spells as caretaker manager. We turned things around from the absolute clusterfuck that was the last five or six weeks of Williams' tenure and delivered 24 points from 13 games.

He earned the job on a full time basis. The fact that the kind of weirdos who thought that Martin and Williams just needed a bit more backing haven't stopped whinging about him since doesn't change that.

 

[rockinj]

That's not what we did though, as much as the professional hindsight artists are trying to pretend otherwise right now.

We appointed a guy who had delivered significantly improved results and performances across two separate spells as caretaker manager. We turned things around from the absolute clusterfuck that was the last five or six weeks of Williams' tenure and delivered 24 points from 13 games.

He earned the job on a full time basis. The fact that the kind of weirdos who thought that Martin and Williams just needed a bit more backing haven't stopped whinging about him since doesn't change that.

I don’t agree with you but I do respect that you’ve been true to this viewpoint.

 

[rockinj]

The sensible part of me knows this isn't true but I almost feel conned by the sort of football we played last season under him to the sort we are playing this season.

The change in our style and the enjoyment was pretty much achieved overnight after Williams was sacked, so I'm not quite sure I buy the "we've got loads of new signings" argument.

But this is what happens with a new care taker manager. It’s so common, players who were unhappy start playing with freedom. Many are aware they’re on the way out and having one eye on moving clubs. Others are proving themselves etc. It’s not the same as a permanent appointment which creates a completely different dynamic.

I’m not taking anything away from Sheehan he did and amazing job. But so did Ole when he took over United. Then it went sour. It’s different.

 

[CommonCents]

Kone was awful