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We certainly need to make better and more chances. We need to make the opposition goalkeeper earn his wages.
We can’t rely on Vip scoring a screamer every week. Fortunately, yesterday, Idah, whose overall performance wasn’t great, joined the party and scored a screamer of his own.
 
F**k me. "Never bored watching us under Russell Martin" is one of the most amazing comments I've ever seen on this board .

Each to their own I know, but in watching the Swans for some 50+ years, I was never so bored as under Russell Martin (a few games only excepted). Oh.. and frustrated and angry ..turning into apathy and sleepnesness.

Anyone want to add some adjectives ?
Those are all fair points and obviously everything is subjective. Martin was flawed, don’t get me wrong he persisted far too much with a system that didn’t fully suit our team in my opinion. The one thing I always say for him though, is that I don’t think his football was risk averse by design, I think he genuinely believed that was the best way to use the players he had. Contrast that with Sheehan and to me he seems consciously afraid to take the handbrake off for whatever reason.

What I can’t get my head around, is that the common criticism of Martin was boring football but Sheehan doesn’t seem to receive any of the same criticism while delivering arguably a more ineffective brand with more resources behind him.

This isn’t personal, I like Sheehan as a guy and he stepped up when needed last season and saved us from battling Cardiff in League One, but we have a real chance to do something in a poor league this season. We have to start performing soon.
 
The problem with Russell Martin was he was wedded to his 'process' until results became so poor that he had no choice but to change things. We'd then go on a great run of results and everyone would get excited, then he'd revert to the sterile possession tactics he loves and we'd be back to losing.

So ironically, he and Sheehan may share the same flaw, albeit coming at it from different directions. Sheehan has set us up to be far more solid and we're almost always involved in close games under him, but currently he seems unable to find the balance needed to start creating more chances. Even against Man City the pattern continued of a strong start and scoring the first goal, only to then fade and fail to score a second goal when on top. Ironically it was against City that we came closest to scoring the second goal.
 
Those are all fair points and obviously everything is subjective. Martin was flawed, don’t get me wrong he persisted far too much with a system that didn’t fully suit our team in my opinion. The one thing I always say for him though, is that I don’t think his football was risk averse by design, I think he genuinely believed that was the best way to use the players he had. Contrast that with Sheehan and to me he seems consciously afraid to take the handbrake off for whatever reason.

What I can’t get my head around, is that the common criticism of Martin was boring football but Sheehan doesn’t seem to receive any of the same criticism while delivering arguably a more ineffective brand with more resources behind him.

This isn’t personal, I like Sheehan as a guy and he stepped up when needed last season and saved us from battling Cardiff in League One, but we have a real chance to do something in a poor league this season. We have to start performing soon.
The difference between Sheehan and Martin is Martin is an absolute bell end.
 
The difference between Sheehan and Martin is Martin is an absolute bell end.
I’m just talking from a football perspective. I personally liked the way Martin came across, I never saw the arrogance that some did. He was just stubborn and could have a bit of an ego but that’s like most football managers.
 
I’m just talking from a football perspective. I personally liked the way Martin came across, I never saw the arrogance that some did. He was just stubborn and could have a bit of an ego but that’s like most football managers.
If the bloke was chocolate, he'd eat himself.
 
If the bloke was chocolate, he'd eat himself.
I’m not saying I want him back as our manager or anything but I always thought people gave too much flack to Martin and it let the old ownership off the hook, that was where the main problem was.
 
I’m not saying I want him back as our manager or anything but I always thought people gave too much flack to Martin and it let the old ownership off the hook, that was where the main problem was.
Personally I felt he didn't get enough flack. Any other manager who went twenty odd games without winning would have been publicly flogged in Castle Gardens.
 
Martin was very lucky not to get sacked for that terrible run from November to February, but it wasn’t quite as bad as no wins in 20 - we did win three of them and pick up 16 points.

He likely saved himself by having a good start to the season to fall back and then picking up a couple of wins just when it looked like we were going to get really dragged into the relegation battle.
 
The problem with Russell Martin was he was wedded to his 'process' until results became so poor that he had no choice but to change things. We'd then go on a great run of results and everyone would get excited, then he'd revert to the sterile possession tactics he loves and we'd be back to losing.

So ironically, he and Sheehan may share the same flaw, albeit coming at it from different directions. Sheehan has set us up to be far more solid and we're almost always involved in close games under him, but currently he seems unable to find the balance needed to start creating more chances. Even against Man City the pattern continued of a strong start and scoring the first goal, only to then fade and fail to score a second goal when on top. Ironically it was against City that we came closest to scoring the second goal.
Can't argue with any of that post. Not sure if the owners , who after trying to raise the profile of the club and spending a reasonable amount of money this summer, are going to be happy sitting 16th in the table, playing an uninspiring and boring brand of football. To me Sheehan is not interested in moving away from his pragmatic brand of football. On Wednesday, for 30 minutes, we saw us attacking with intent with Widell and Inoussa doing well, come yesterday, there's no way Eom should have been in before Widell, but yet again the manager picked Eom who let's be honest has had far more chances than his end product deserves. Crowds are not going to improve with this current state of affairs, and that's also another thing the owners may be thinking about.
 
As the saying goes, 'ambition is key'.

And as we know, Key loves going backwards and sideways.

We certainly have a team capable of much more. We just need the ambition to go with it. Why can't the Swans be like Coventry and be an attacking unit?

Why settle?

This current form is a disservice to the team and the club and they must surely do better.
 
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