Keir Starmer

[Darran]

Aye it’s always my reaction to someone who admits that.

I thought you were completely against uncontrolled migration yourself?

 

[MrSwerve]

Not with Reformers, no. It’s a pointless exercise.

Anyone who in February 2026 that still believes in Farage and his “policies” is beyond debate. Although I did partake in a little bit of piss taking of a colleague in work today, but not much effort involved really.

I'm not a Reformer. I'm not any party.

ECB my food is now ready so I will reply to you when I've eaten it.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Oh look out, the brains of the operation has turned up.

Can a woman have an old boy.
Welsh independence but wants Swansea to play in the English leagues.

 

[MrSwerve]

I thought you were completely against uncontrolled migration yourself?

Quickly, in short - this is it. Uncontrolled immigration. Aus-style points system.

 

[rockinj]

MrSwerve I am interested in debating with you.

You suggest the migration policies are a draw. Specifically which policies or is it more related to rhetoric which is more about feelings.

Also let’s say we have zero immigration. Why would your life or others improve in this scenario if our birth rate is <1.5 births now and we have an ageing population.

We have a productivity crisis in this Country. What will reform do with this ageing demographic and potential wave of emigration and reduction in labour supply if they were to be elected.

 

[Darran]

Oh look out, the brains of the operation has turned up.

Can a woman have an old boy.
Welsh independence but wants Swansea to play in the English leagues.

Aren’t you then?

 

[rockinj]

Quickly, in short - this is it. Uncontrolled immigration. Aus-style points system.

That’s pretty much what we have right now.

As a result of this approach we have a higher amount of people from outside Europe coming in and a much older less mobile immigration flow after Brexit.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Aren’t you then?

Why do you involve yourself in these conversations only to repeat the same one or two liners. Everytime.

Go and chat with the witchfinder or someone.

But to answer your question for about the 50th time. Yes, uncontrolled migration is bad. Now screenshot it, or have it tattooed on you somewhere so you don’t need telling again.

Don’t bother with whatever gotcha you’ve got cooking up as I’m not interested. Honestly now zero interest.

 

[J_B]

Net immigration was 204,000 in the year to June 2025. It was 649,000 in the year to June 2024.
This trend has resulted in the NHS, the care industry and the hospitality industry issuing dire warnings as to how they will continue to operate.

Of course, there is the small boats issue which is a very small percentage but attracts an enormous amount of media attention and which is mostly asylum seekers fleeing persecution and warfare.

 

[Darran]

Why do you involve yourself in these conversations only to repeat the same one or two liners. Everytime.

Go and chat with the witchfinder or someone.

But to answer your question for about the 50th time. Yes, uncontrolled migration is bad. Now screenshot it, or have it tattooed on you somewhere so you don’t need telling again.

Don’t bother with whatever gotcha you’ve got cooking up as I’m not interested. Honestly now zero interest.

I haven’t got a gotcha I just don’t understand why you’ve jumped straight in and tried to ridicule (again) when Swervey might well have been thinking the same thing as you if you’d spoken to him like a human being.

 

[MrSwerve]

That’s pretty much what we have right now.

As a result of this approach we have a higher amount of people from outside Europe coming in and a much older less mobile immigration flow after Brexit.

Is the points system applied to the people on the boats?

 

[rockinj]

The thing with the so called “uncontrolled” immigration argument is that it simply refers to the boats. Which no one bar the most rampant save the whale type would be for.

But an intelligent response would be safe routes, together with multi lateral agreements on sharing the problem.

So ie we do take genuine refugees but we share this with European neighbours. Tough rules on compliance to our laws and fast track to meaningful employment to generate economic activity.

And the biggest elephant in the room is that we through actions over decades and centuries have led to these migrant flows. The same mentality “cut forin aid” is hardly helping. We need to help these people get richer so they stay.

I find this debate so frustrating. You can be both an humanitarian and also believe in strong borders.

 

[Darran]

Net immigration was 204,000 in the year to June 2025. It was 649,000 in the year to June 2024.
This trend has resulted in the NHS, the care industry and the hospitality industry issuing dire warnings as to how they will continue to operate.

Of course, there is the small boats issue which is a very small percentage but attracts an enormous amount of media attention and which is mostly asylum seekers fleeing persecution and warfare.

So the small boat people are fleeing persecution and warfare in France then?

 

[rockinj]

Is the points system applied to the people on the boats?

See above post for boat response

 

[Neath_Jack]

I haven’t got a gotcha I just don’t understand why you’ve jumped straight in and tried to ridicule (again) when Swervey might well have been thinking the same thing as you if you’d spoken to him like a human being.

You could have just left it at “I just don’t understand”.

Me saying uncontrolled migration is bad has zero alliance with Reform. I’ll repeat my opening sentence.