Keir Starmer

[MrSwerve]

Also, how much of a berk did Streeting sound like in his resignation letter? ‘The results are in…’ - tw*t.

Basically 1 page saying how great he’s done as a health secretary and then the second saying - ‘but yeah, I’ve got to resign as you’re useless, Keir’.

 

[rockinj]

Starmer isn’t a good communicator and has made many mistakes but I think it’s a bad move. I think the populist revolt won’t last.

 

[rockinj]

They need to shine a light on Farage’s financial and other affairs and see what dirt is exposed. He’s been caught out with the £5m gift and there’s other impropriety. Let’s see what comes out of his investigation.

I don’t think it will impact like Trump, Boris etc judged by different standard.

The lemmings will find a way to back him.

 

[monmouth]

Starmer isn’t a good communicator and has made many mistakes but I think it’s a bad move. I think the populist revolt won’t last.

It’s ridiculous how it’s all ended up playing out in two years, but you have to factor the general and, incredibly, genuine hatred for him that will poison everything he does.

Plus he’s made a right horses arse of a 170 seat majority, where he could have been truly radical. Succeed or fail, he could have been remembered with the government of post war. Imagine they’d been so incremental. Too much HR middle manager for me. An attorney general, or risk manager, never a leader.

 

[Glyn1]

It’s ridiculous how it’s all ended up playing out in two years, but you have to factor the general and, incredibly, genuine hatred for him that will poison everything he does.

Plus he’s made a right horses arse of a 170 seat majority, where he could have been truly radical. Succeed or fail, he could have been remembered with the government of post war. Imagine they’d been so incremental. Too much HR middle manager for me. An attorney general, or risk manager, never a leader.

Way back in 1964 Harold Wilson was elected the first Labour Prime Minister in 15 years (sound familiar?) and with a majority of just 4. It got so bad that they were taking Labour MPs in ambulances to vote in Parliament because the Tories refused to agree to postal votes. He used that 4 seat majority to keep us out of the war in Vietnam despite pressure from the American President (again, sound familiar?), abolish capital punishment (unpopular with the voters), partially decriminalise homosexuality (very unpopular) and created the Open University to help working people attempt to better themselves. When I see the pygmies today who bow and scrape to the owners of the Daily Mail, I weep.

 

[jack_lord]

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So around 3 months for a by election?

And then he would have to challenge Starmer which takes us to the end of the year or beyond?

What a carry on

I believe it can be fast tracked in 6 weeks. We are possibly seeing what would have happened if Boris Johnson lost his seat in the general election as Prime minister but this time it is to get someone who could beat Starmer.
We are crying out for stability even more so as there are so many good indicators of UK Ltd improving but the knives are out from all angles

 

[Niigata Jack]

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I believe it can be fast tracked in 6 weeks. We are possibly seeing what would have happened if Boris Johnson lost his seat in the general election as Prime minister but this time it is to get someone who could beat Starmer.
We are crying out for stability even more so as there are so many good indicators of UK Ltd improving but the knives are out from all angles

He's brought it all on himself good enough for clown, he haven't even got the decency to just resign.

That's the Toryies and Labour in the political dustbin.

 

[Scotia]

Streeting is not popular in the party. Rayner is now favourite with the bookies. I suspect she may surprise people and has more balls than Milliband, Starmer and Streeting combined.
The media will go thermonuclear against her which may in the end work in her favour. Burnham would be a safer choice if Starmer agrees to go by the Party Conference and a seat found for Burnham. Either way expect a shift away from diluted Tory policy

I would genuinely worry for Rayner's safety. She'd be a huge target for the right wing media, social media and the nut cases that go with it.

She's probably a better leader than Starmer but wouldn't be tolerated.

Unless she knows a billionaire who can pay for her security????

 

[jack_lord]

I would genuinely worry for Rayner's safety. She'd be a huge target for the right wing media, social media and the nut cases that go with it.

She's probably a better leader than Starmer but wouldn't be tolerated.

Unless she knows a billionaire who can pay for her security????

Could you imagine if a Labour leader took 5 million as a gift. The right wing media goes apoplectic if Starmer has a free pair of sunglasses.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Way back in 1964 Harold Wilson was elected the first Labour Prime Minister in 15 years (sound familiar?) and with a majority of just 4. It got so bad that they were taking Labour MPs in ambulances to vote in Parliament because the Tories refused to agree to postal votes. He used that 4 seat majority to keep us out of the war in Vietnam despite pressure from the American President (again, sound familiar?), abolish capital punishment (unpopular with the voters), partially decriminalise homosexuality (very unpopular) and created the Open University to help working people attempt to better themselves. When I see the pygmies today who bow and scrape to the owners of the Daily Mail, I weep.

Post of the thread.

 

[rockinj]

Way back in 1964 Harold Wilson was elected the first Labour Prime Minister in 15 years (sound familiar?) and with a majority of just 4. It got so bad that they were taking Labour MPs in ambulances to vote in Parliament because the Tories refused to agree to postal votes. He used that 4 seat majority to keep us out of the war in Vietnam despite pressure from the American President (again, sound familiar?), abolish capital punishment (unpopular with the voters), partially decriminalise homosexuality (very unpopular) and created the Open University to help working people attempt to better themselves. When I see the pygmies today who bow and scrape to the owners of the Daily Mail, I weep.

Different world we have 24/7 media. Social media etc.

How would Harold Wilson and the rest survive? Churchill would never have been a war time leader.

We do have to sit back and think a little sometimes. The craziness is partly self induced but the culture of instant gratification, ultra cynicism, extreme tribalism etc is a cocktail for inertia and lack of risk taking.

 

[rockinj]

To follow that post there’s no way Keir Starmer would be “hated” back in the day. No way. That is modern culture.

 

[J_B]

I can see a scenario where Reform wins both the Makerfield by election and the Mayor of Manchester elections.

Burnham would look a bit of a twat then. Conservatives self destructed during the last parliament and Labour are already doing it in this one.

I’m now resigned to Farage being PM in three years time.

 

[Cooperman]

I can see a scenario where Reform wins both the Makerfield by election and the Mayor of Manchester elections.

Burnham would look a bit of a twat then. Conservatives self destructed during the last parliament and Labour are already doing it in this one.

I’m now resigned to Farage being PM in three years time.

Me too. It’s not a foregone conclusion that Makerfield is a Labour win. The majority last time out was less than 6,000.

 

[MrSwerve]

Me too. It’s not a foregone conclusion that Makerfield is a Labour win. The majority last time out was less than 6,000.

Indeed, 5,339 to be precise.

Interesting.