“They’re all the same”

[rockinj]

How many times do we hear this tired cliche?!

I’ve seen no posts on the budget but it’s pretty obvious to me this was a very different budget to what a Tory Chancellor would have done with a marked change of direction for the Country right or wrong.

It’s very much a social democratic budget with an emphasis on spending/investment which has obviously entailed tax rises.

I applaud the honesty of it. I don’t like the idea of higher taxes on enterprise but I get the need for more spending at the moment which should bring long-term improvements.

It feels like a big change in direction for Country. The smart move in a few years is to rejoin customs union once the politics of that have subsided and with that higher growth which could then mean a balanced budget which could result in some easing.

I think most people who understand the need for balanced budgets will respect this and in the end it will be respected. We can’t live in fantasy economics either from right or left for ever.

 

[Cooperman]

Reeves stated that this was a budget which Labour did not with to repeat, and I consider that quite a bold statement to make. A big factor in easing back spending comes through achieving reform, and I don’t yet see those plans laid out in sufficient detail. It’s early days though so let’s see how Labour work over the next year or so, there will be some big pressure on certain Cabinet jobs.

 

[rockinj]

Reeves stated that this was a budget which Labour did not with to repeat, and I consider that quite a bold statement to make. A big factor in easing back spending comes through achieving reform, and I don’t yet see those plans laid out in sufficient detail. It’s early days though so let’s see how Labour work over the next year or so, there will be some big pressure on certain Cabinet jobs.

Reform is essential. The short term increases in NHS have to coupled with dramatic improvements in productivity. That must mean the NHS moving into the 21st Century and whisper it maybe using some of the private sector (oh my heathen)

If they’re bold and having the balls to upset the unions in many areas they’ll be lauded for it in the end. As you allude to this has to be a plug the gap budget but over time we need the growth and the reform. How that works with devolution goodness knows as we have a Gov stuck in 1972.

 

[Cooperman]

Reform is essential. The short term increases in NHS have to coupled with dramatic improvements in productivity. That must mean the NHS moving into the 21st Century and whisper it maybe using some of the private sector (oh my heathen)

If they’re bold and having the balls to upset the unions in many areas they’ll be lauded for it in the end. As you allude to this has to be a plug the gap budget but over time we need the growth and the reform. How that works with devolution goodness knows as we have a Gov stuck in 1972.

And there lies another part of the problem; the growth forecasts don’t look as good as they need to.

 

[Pegojack]

Yes, it was a budget in the right direction, but I'm very disappointed by how timid this Labour government is. There will never be a better time to press ahead with real reforms, but they are so afraid of offending the Right.
For example, most thinking people now realise Brexit was a massive con trick and a huge economic mistake. The only time in history a nation has imposed economic sanctions on itself. Why pussyfoot about in deference to the mouth breathing morons who still support it? Why not come right out and say " this was a self imposed disaster, we are going to start exploring right away with our European friends and partners how we can start reversing its effects. And if you don't like it, tough shyte. Feck off to Russia, or somewhere you'd feel more comfortable. We stand with Europe".

 

[Cooperman]

Yes, it was a budget in the right direction, but I'm very disappointed by how timid this Labour government is. There will never be a better time to press ahead with real reforms, but they are so afraid of offending the Right.
For example, most thinking people now realise Brexit was a massive con trick and a huge economic mistake. The only time in history a nation has imposed economic sanctions on itself. Why pussyfoot about in deference to the mouth breathing morons who still support it? Why not come right out and say " this was a self imposed disaster, we are going to start exploring right away with our European friends and partners how we can start reversing its effects. And if you don't like it, tough shyte. Feck off to Russia, or somewhere you'd feel more comfortable. We stand with Europe".

I think Starmer was purposely central on the Brexit topic and not wanting to be seen to swing too far in either direction. However in the background he will firmly have eyes on a new EU trade deal which I think can come as soon as 2026. Until then stand by for a lot of of the usual sound bites which talk about economic growth and boosting jobs blah blah.

 

[rockinj]

And there lies another part of the problem; the growth forecasts don’t look as good as they need to.

That’s why I suggested the customs union, a small step back to sanity

 

[rockinj]

Yes, it was a budget in the right direction, but I'm very disappointed by how timid this Labour government is. There will never be a better time to press ahead with real reforms, but they are so afraid of offending the Right.
For example, most thinking people now realise Brexit was a massive con trick and a huge economic mistake. The only time in history a nation has imposed economic sanctions on itself. Why pussyfoot about in deference to the mouth breathing morons who still support it? Why not come right out and say " this was a self imposed disaster, we are going to start exploring right away with our European friends and partners how we can start reversing its effects. And if you don't like it, tough shyte. Feck off to Russia, or somewhere you'd feel more comfortable. We stand with Europe".

I agree with on Europe but I don’t agree with the timing. It’s got to be drip drip. There’s too many people in this Country who have swallowed the propaganda and need to be taken very slowly in the right direction.

I think they should be bold mid term but not now that will look like they’ve lied. Let’s be honest on tax they have and that’s already caused some problems.

But 100% it’s the elephant in the room. I still can’t comprehend the decision and how people still think it’s right.

 

[rockinj]

On customs union btw they should say we would like to create a British common market with EU.

(Customs union)

 

[Pentyrchjack]

How many times do we hear this tired cliche?!

I’ve seen no posts on the budget but it’s pretty obvious to me this was a very different budget to what a Tory Chancellor would have done with a marked change of direction for the Country right or wrong.

It’s very much a social democratic budget with an emphasis on spending/investment which has obviously entailed tax rises.

I applaud the honesty of it. I don’t like the idea of higher taxes on enterprise but I get the need for more spending at the moment which should bring long-term improvements.

It feels like a big change in direction for Country. The smart move in a few years is to rejoin customs union once the politics of that have subsided and with that higher growth which could then mean a balanced budget which could result in some easing.

I think most people who understand the need for balanced budgets will respect this and in the end it will be respected. We can’t live in fantasy economics either from right or left for ever.

Crap for small and medium sized businesses which are pay taxes and create commerce to fund what you call a "social democratic" approach.

The Chancellor shafted people who don't have the luxury of an index linked public sector pension. Most people pay into a private pension which isn't final salary and % historical growth in the markets is poor. This sum could previously be passed to a spouse on death, now it's going to be included in inheritance tax.

This is a budget by public sector work at home snowflakes at the expense of go to work people.

 

[jack_lord]

Crap for small and medium sized businesses which are pay taxes and create commerce to fund what you call a "social democratic" approach.

The Chancellor shafted people who don't have the luxury of an index linked public sector pension. Most people pay into a private pension which isn't final salary and % historical growth in the markets is poor. This sum could previously be passed to a spouse on death, now it's going to be included in inheritance tax.

This is a budget by public sector work at home snowflakes at the expense of go to work people.

It is about time the index linked public sector pension was removed and the public sector mirrored what private sector employers contribute. The burden on the Government is huge.
The NHS has to almost reinvent itself as medicine and medical provision is a vastly different beast to that in 1948. The cost of medicine the Pharms make is incredulous. We have admin managers in the NHS who have zero medical experience making huge decision daily, telling nurses and doctors what they should be doing with no consultation (often with more interest in their own make up and hair do's) and losing hugely qualified staff because of burnout. Tell one of those target focused pricks to work in a clinical sit and smell the coffee.
Hopefully our trade links are resolved with the EU asap but we don't want to upset those who wanted to substitute legal migrants from the EU with literal boat loads of non europeans.

 

[rockinj]

Crap for small and medium sized businesses which are pay taxes and create commerce to fund what you call a "social democratic" approach.

The Chancellor shafted people who don't have the luxury of an index linked public sector pension. Most people pay into a private pension which isn't final salary and % historical growth in the markets is poor. This sum could previously be passed to a spouse on death, now it's going to be included in inheritance tax.

This is a budget by public sector work at home snowflakes at the expense of go to work people.

Small businesses are not impacted in fact they’re benefitting if anything.

It’s an analysis I’m not necessarily saying I agree with every measure. But I have tremendous sympathy as the legacy was shocking.

My instincts are to support business, but I believe that we do need to put more resources into public investment. I think your comments are lazy on the public sector. Building investment increases growth and boosts the private sector for instance.

This budget wouldn’t be happening if the tories hadnt moved so much to the right and shafted the Country with Brexit. This is coming from someone often referred to as Tory boy on here btw.

 

[Pentyrchjack]

Do you run a business or businesses?

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Crap for small and medium sized businesses which are pay taxes and create commerce to fund what you call a "social democratic" approach.

The Chancellor shafted people who don't have the luxury of an index linked public sector pension. Most people pay into a private pension which isn't final salary and % historical growth in the markets is poor. This sum could previously be passed to a spouse on death, now it's going to be included in inheritance tax.

This is a budget by public sector work at home snowflakes at the expense of go to work people.

Fair points in your first two paragraphs but the last one is exactly the sort of tiresome, divisive bollocks the Daily Mail and the Tories want you to believe is the problem, but it really isn't.

I've worked in both the private and public sector and there are great people in both, lazy bastards in both. One is no better or worse than t'other. It's a load of bollocks to suggest otherwise.

 

[rockinj]

Do you run a business or businesses?

No. I’m simply stating that the NI changes don’t impact those size businesses. Feel free to correct me but that’s how I understand it.