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[exiledclaseboy]

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[Cooperman]

When and how do you think they found out that he was a massive nonce? Before or after they gave him the cash to pay his accuser hush money? It’s a poser innit.

The trigger for this back and forth was my comment about him not coming clean to senior members of the Royal Family, in relation to the thread OP and not his affinity for young females. I did not mention MI5, government agencies or protection officers in my post. I am doubting whether AMW ever sat the Queen down and informed her that he was at risk of prosecution for misconduct in public office; he might have only done it with Charles very recently. I don't buy the argument that they always knew about this.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

The trigger for this back and forth was my comment about him not coming clean to senior members of the Royal Family, in relation to the thread OP and not his affinity for young females. I did not mention MI5, government agencies or protection officers in my post. I am doubting whether AMW ever sat the Queen down and informed her that he was at risk of prosecution for misconduct in public office; he might have only done it with Charles very recently. I don't buy the argument that they always knew about this.

It’s a very odd stance to take and completely detached from reality for some reason. Protecting a dead queen and a current king who in turn paid millions of pounds to pay off a young women who had accused Prince Andrew (let’s call him what he still is) of noncery and who later killed herself. I doubt the Duke of York sat his mother and big brother down and told them of all his many misdemeanours either. But they knew. Hence the hush money they stumped up for him. That’s why his protection officers and the security services are very relevant to the discussion.

 

[Cooperman]

It’s a very odd stance to take and completely detached from reality for some reason. Protecting a dead queen and a current king who in turn paid millions of pounds to pay off a young women who had accused Prince Andrew (let’s call him what he still is) of noncery and who later killed herself. I doubt the Duke of York sat his mother and big brother down and told them of all his many misdemeanours either. But they knew. Hence the hush money they stumped up for him. That’s why his protection officers and the security services are very relevant to the discussion.

This was my point. The Queen/Charles knowing about the data leaks and Andrew coming clean are two different things.

 

[Neath_Jack]

When’s the next season of The Crown, due out? It should start getting a bit interesting and may contribute to ending the Royal charade.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

This was my point. The Queen/Charles knowing about the data leaks and Andrew coming clean are two different things.

With respect that stance makes no sense at all. Your original point was that they didn’t know. You’re backtracking now towards “he didn’t tell them” which is very much not the same thing as them not knowing.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

When’s the next season of The Crown, due out? It should start getting a bit interesting and may contribute to ending the Royal charade.

Sadly The Crown ended after six series.

 

[Cooperman]

With respect that stance makes no sense at all. Your original point was that they didn’t know. You’re backtracking now towards “he didn’t tell them” which is very much not the same thing as them not knowing.

No, my original words were this and it's in the context of the OP.

I’m certain that he hasn’t come clean to the royal household. He would have been protesting innocence in much the same way as he does outwardly, all in the hope that this avoided prosecution.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Sadly The Crown ended after six series.

I wonder if this may spur them on to do another few seasons.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

No, my original words were this and it's in the context of the OP.

I’m certain that he hasn’t come clean to the royal household. He would have been protesting innocence in much the same way as he does outwardly, all in the hope that this avoided prosecution.

Ok I’m starting to feel like Smurph in continuing a pointless argument for the sake of it but upthread I said “they know everything and have always known everything” and you replied unequivocally stating “I don’t agree”.

 

[Smurph]

Ok I’m starting to feel like Smurph in continuing a pointless argument for the sake of it but upthread I said “they know everything and have always known everything” and you replied unequivocally stating “I don’t agree”.

Thanks for the shout out

 

[Cooperman]

Ok I’m starting to feel like Smurph in continuing a pointless argument for the sake of it but upthread I said “they know everything and have always known everything” and you replied unequivocally stating “I don’t agree”.

That wasn't my first point though. My initial response to Lisa was stating my belief that Andrew had not been transparent with the Queen re the data leaks. Lisa and yourself subsequently come back with the everyone has always known everything point, which is a different argument and one I don't subscribe to. For this to be true the Queen must have known about the data leaks in late 2010, who do you believe informed her?

I am not arguing against the point that there is widespread knowledge of his shocking behavior; a hill I am prepared to stand on is that the full and true depravity is only known to Andrew himself. He will take secrets to his grave.

 

[Darran]

No, my original words were this and it's in the context of the OP.

I’m certain that he hasn’t come clean to the royal household. He would have been protesting innocence in much the same way as he does outwardly, all in the hope that this avoided prosecution.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”​

Mark Twain

 

[Neath_Jack]

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”​

Mark Twain

That’s not nice, I thought Coops was your mate.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

That wasn't my first point though. My initial response to Lisa was stating my belief that Andrew had not been transparent with the Queen re the data leaks. Lisa and yourself subsequently come back with the everyone has always known everything point, which is a different argument and one I don't subscribe to. For this to be true the Queen must have known about the data leaks in late 2010, who do you believe informed her?

I am not arguing against the point that there is widespread knowledge of his shocking behavior; a hill I am prepared to stand on is that the full and true depravity is only known to Andrew himself. He will take secrets to his grave.

I am slightly at a loss here.

Andrew was sending this stuff to Epstein via email.

Emails in and out of the royal households will be monitored constantly. By the security services. Who ultimately reported to the old Queen.

Anything he did in person was monitored by his protection officers. Who ultimately reported to the old Queen. She will have been briefed in detail about all of it.

The concept that he was emailing and having meetings without everyone knowing about it is bizarre.

You are talking as though he was a normal person who was hiding stuff from his old Mam.

One of the biggest mysteries about this whole shocking affair is how so many people are so desperate to pretend that the Queen was completely innocent about it all.

Given she’s dead it sort of becomes moot but I, for one, am keen to learn how much is this was known by Charles. If it turns out to be true that Charles used his money to help bail Andrew out then he needs to go immediately. Same applies for William. If he knew he needs to go.

At that point in fact, the whole lot of them need to go.