Congratulations Mr Cooper

[Skippyjack]

He was the main reason why we finished 15th this season, that's my point.. those first 15 games were a big reason why we finished 15th.. that's the big picture of it... Or maybe it was the Americans fault for not paying him off sooner, but it was obvious who the main culprit was

That’s clearly bollocks. After we beat Derby and there was just a little sniff of play off contention, we proceeded to not win in six, fail to beat Barnsley, throw the Reading game and finally lose at home to QPR on what should have been a way to sign off the season on a positive. We didn’t finish 15th due to Steve Cooper.

He was the biggest factor in our final position, those first 15 games could've been different if he buggered off sooner and given a new man time, these are undisputed facts of football.. those first 15 games were used as training exercises.. mitigating circumstances

 

[Cooperman]

That’s clearly bollocks. After we beat Derby and there was just a little sniff of play off contention, we proceeded to not win in six, fail to beat Barnsley, throw the Reading game and finally lose at home to QPR on what should have been a way to sign off the season on a positive. We didn’t finish 15th due to Steve Cooper.

He was the biggest factor in our final position, those first 15 games could've been different if he buggered off sooner and given a new man time, these are undisputed facts of football.. those first 15 games were used as training exercises.. mitigating circumstances

Are you going to ignore the defensive frailties that RM failed to address throughout the season? I'll kick it off by talking about wing back positioning. To blame a 15th place position on Steve Cooper is ludicrous.

 

[Villageswan]

He was the biggest factor in our final position, those first 15 games could've been different if he buggered off sooner and given a new man time, these are undisputed facts of football.. those first 15 games were used as training exercises.. mitigating circumstances

So much of what you wrote is complete ‘rollards’.

We did get compo for him.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12410747/steve-cooper-nottingham-forest-set-to-appoint-ex-swansea-boss-after-1-2m-compensation-agreed

Why did Martin need to write off 15 games but Cooper didn’t have to when he joined Forest and had even less time with his squad?

Cooper had an interview with Fulham and Palace (not WBA) early on in pre season, both wanted him but we wouldn’t budge on our compensation demands.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sources-fulham-balking-at-cooper-fee-pereira-remains-in-managerial-frame/amp/

https://www.90min.com/posts/exclusive-crystal-palace-lucien-favre-steve-cooper-release-clause/amp

We fannied about trying to squeeze more money like we always do.

Good on you Coops.

 

[Skippyjack]

He was the biggest factor in our final position, those first 15 games could've been different if he buggered off sooner and given a new man time, these are undisputed facts of football.. those first 15 games were used as training exercises.. mitigating circumstances

Are you going to ignore the defensive frailties that RM failed to address throughout the season? I'll kick it off by talking about wing back positioning. To blame a 15th place position on Steve Cooper is ludicrous.

So you're going to forget that a pre-season makes a difference?.. why do pilots pre-plan, why do surgeons? Why don't they all just wing it?.. why even have a pre-season.. you're being silly and sounding like a right idiot.. if you asked Cooper if he'd like to have had a pre-season with Forest he would've said yes.. those first 15 games could've been written off because of the mitigating circumstances..

 

[Skippyjack]

He was the biggest factor in our final position, those first 15 games could've been different if he buggered off sooner and given a new man time, these are undisputed facts of football.. those first 15 games were used as training exercises.. mitigating circumstances

So much of what you wrote is complete ‘rollards’.

We did get compo for him.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12410747/steve-cooper-nottingham-forest-set-to-appoint-ex-swansea-boss-after-1-2m-compensation-agreed

Why did Martin need to write off 15 games but Cooper didn’t have to when he joined Forest and had even less time with his squad?

Cooper had an interview with Fulham and Palace (not WBA) early on in pre season, both wanted him but we wouldn’t budge on our compensation demands.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sources-fulham-balking-at-cooper-fee-pereira-remains-in-managerial-frame/amp/

https://www.90min.com/posts/exclusive-crystal-palace-lucien-favre-steve-cooper-release-clause/amp

We fannied about trying to squeeze more money like we always do.

Good on you Coops.

Why do every team in the world have a pre-season? Why do doctors even study.. f*ck it, we might as well forget logic

 

[Cooperman]

Are you going to ignore the defensive frailties that RM failed to address throughout the season? I'll kick it off by talking about wing back positioning. To blame a 15th place position on Steve Cooper is ludicrous.

So you're going to forget that a pre-season makes a difference?.. why do pilots pre-plan, why do surgeons? Why don't they all just wing it?.. why even have a pre-season.. you're being silly and sounding like a right idiot.. if you asked Cooper if he'd like to have had a pre-season with Forest he would've said yes.. those first 15 games could've been written off because of the mitigating circumstances..

What would Martin have done differently in a pre-season that he couldn't have done across a multitude of international breaks and back end of the season when the pressure was off?

 

[Villageswan]

Pre season usually consists of about 5 matches, often dour affairs that are glorified kick abouts. Quite why that takes 15 games to rectify I don’t know.

Cooper didn’t have a pre season did he?

But anyway I digress, if you take away Martin’s first 15 matches and count from game 16 onwards - he still finishes in round about the same place.

14th in fact.

 

[Skippyjack]

So you're going to forget that a pre-season makes a difference?.. why do pilots pre-plan, why do surgeons? Why don't they all just wing it?.. why even have a pre-season.. you're being silly and sounding like a right idiot.. if you asked Cooper if he'd like to have had a pre-season with Forest he would've said yes.. those first 15 games could've been written off because of the mitigating circumstances..

What would Martin have done differently in a pre-season that he couldn't have done across a multitude of international breaks and back end of the season when the pressure was off?

Well, the fact he had a pre-season during the season is the big elephant in the room..

 

[Skippyjack]

Pre season usually consists of about 5 matches, often dour affairs that are glorified kick abouts. Quite why that takes 15 games to rectify I don’t know.

Cooper didn’t have a pre season did he?

But anyway I digress, if you take away Martin’s first 15 matches and count from game 16 onwards - he still finishes in round about the same place.

14th in fact.

Why even bother with any of it, honestly mun, it's like arguing with the two dumbest people on earth

 

[Villageswan]

Why bother with any of what? You said his first 15 games had mitigating circumstances, I disagree.

But even if we go with what you say and discount his first 15 games, he still comes 14th. Not sure what you are arguing about really, I can only assume you didn’t check if your comments were accurate.

 

[Skippyjack]

Why bother with any of what? You said his first 15 games had mitigating circumstances, I disagree.

But even if we go with what you say and discount his first 15 games, he still comes 14th. Not sure what you are arguing about really, I can only assume you didn’t check if your comments were accurate.

F*ck me, you're not very bright are you

 

[Cooperman]

What would Martin have done differently in a pre-season that he couldn't have done across a multitude of international breaks and back end of the season when the pressure was off?

Well, the fact he had a pre-season during the season is the big elephant in the room..

I’m not buying that. If your argument is that Martin hasn’t had time for optimising both fitness and tactics then I think you’re on the wrong track.

 

[Darran]

Well, the fact he had a pre-season during the season is the big elephant in the room..

I’m not buying that. If your argument is that Martin hasn’t had time for optimising both fitness and tactics then I think you’re on the wrong track.

Forest beat us 4-1 and 5-1 and Swans fans were saying thank f*ck we don’t play like that. :lol:

 

[Cooperman]

I’m not buying that. If your argument is that Martin hasn’t had time for optimising both fitness and tactics then I think you’re on the wrong track.

Forest beat us 4-1 and 5-1 and Swans fans were saying thank f*ck we don’t play like that. :lol:

And above all else it’s a results driven business, like most streams of business in fact.

Fantastic effort from Steve Cooper and his team, one of the top success stories of the season. He delivered beyond the wildest dreams of any Forest fan.

As for us, well pre season starts soon :lol:

 

[Skippyjack]

Well, the fact he had a pre-season during the season is the big elephant in the room..

I’m not buying that. If your argument is that Martin hasn’t had time for optimising both fitness and tactics then I think you’re on the wrong track.

So managers have to hit the ground running then, from the off in your opinion.. but in the real world, it's 95% unlikely.. you keep dreaming about that 5%.. Cooper achieved that 5%, so it's not impossible, but 95% of logic is with me.. you're arguing against expertise, not me