Congratulations Mr Cooper

[Cooperman]

I’m not buying that. If your argument is that Martin hasn’t had time for optimising both fitness and tactics then I think you’re on the wrong track.

So managers have to hit the ground running then, from the off in your opinion.. but in the real world, it's 95% unlikely.. you keep dreaming about that 5%.. Cooper achieved that 5%, so it's not impossible, but 95% of logic is with me.. you're arguing against expertise, not me

Let’s simplify discussion and take Cooper and Forest out of the equation, but before doing so just recognise that Cooper did not have a pre season with the Forest squad.

As for RM, what would he have done differently with a full pre season to work with? Second time of asking the question.

 

[Skippyjack]

So managers have to hit the ground running then, from the off in your opinion.. but in the real world, it's 95% unlikely.. you keep dreaming about that 5%.. Cooper achieved that 5%, so it's not impossible, but 95% of logic is with me.. you're arguing against expertise, not me

Let’s simplify discussion and take Cooper and Forest out of the equation, but before doing so just recognise that Cooper did not have a pre season with the Forest squad.

As for RM, what would he have done differently with a full pre season to work with? Second time of asking the question.

That's the mitigating circumstances, we will never know

 

[Cooperman]

Let’s simplify discussion and take Cooper and Forest out of the equation, but before doing so just recognise that Cooper did not have a pre season with the Forest squad.

As for RM, what would he have done differently with a full pre season to work with? Second time of asking the question.

That's the mitigating circumstances, we will never know

Indeed. There’s a big three months coming up for RM, his free pass has expired, this pre season is his, and folk have expectations. I for one am waiting to see if he can add a second dimension to our game, only limited signs of it in the season just gone.

 

[Risc]

That's the mitigating circumstances, we will never know

Indeed. There’s a big three months coming up for RM, his free pass has expired, this pre season is his, and folk have expectations. I for one am waiting to see if he can add a second dimension to our game, only limited signs of it in the season just gone.

Looking at our finances Swiss Ramble have put out today, next year will be even tougher.

The wage bill Cooper was working with was massive compared to what Martin needs to, it will drop significantly again by the start of next season.

 

[Ringwood Jack]

Cooper saw what was coming this season with us. Many of us have been in the work related scenario ourselves. Anybody still carrying Cooper baggage needs to bin it. For us pre-season RM really has to sort out our defence with some improved signings if not we'll be staring down the L1 barrel very soon

 

[Hammy]

Well he did it at last, similar to Brentford over the past few seasons.

Will be interesting to see how his tictacs go in the PL and whether he can evolve a system that is fundamentally out of the Sam Allardyce school of football coaching.

But from a Swans perspective, f@ck him, RM has got a big job on his hands next season to keep us up / get us into the play-offs :lol:

 

[Jacket]

Shows you what's possible if you don't go for job interviews in the week leading up to the playoff finals. The moral of the story? Never take your eye off the ball, unless that is, you know there are better job opportunities out there, and you don't give a monkeys about the success of your current employers.

 

[MrSwerve]

Does this, in some weird way, increase the pressure on Martin? Swans manager moves to club towards the bottom and takes them up first time…

 

[Risc]

Does this, in some weird way, increase the pressure on Martin? Swans manager moves to club towards the bottom and takes them up first time…

Not really, Forest sold less than a million pound worth of player last year, and spent £4.76m. Pretty much a £4m spend, only two clubs spent more and one of them won the league at a canter. They had a really good squad and Cooper got the job done, credit to him, but Martin working under much tighter constraints.

I've got to be honest though, I think it's going to be a struggle with Martin next year, I see no way we can get the players with the skill set he needs to play this football at Championship level out of frees and cheap loans.

 

[Fbreath]

Their win on Sunday was down to their chairman.

At one point during the second half camera zoomed in on him and he was kissing every charm he had on him. He crossed himself about 20 times it was hilarious to watch but obviously worked :shock:

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Does this, in some weird way, increase the pressure on Martin? Swans manager moves to club towards the bottom and takes them up first time…

Not really, Forest sold less than a million pound worth of player last year, and spent £4.76m. Pretty much a £4m spend, only two clubs spent more and one of them won the league at a canter. They had a really good squad and Cooper got the job done, credit to him, but Martin working under much tighter constraints.

I've got to be honest though, I think it's going to be a struggle with Martin next year, I see no way we can get the players with the skill set he needs to play this football at Championship level out of frees and cheap loans.

That's my fear tbh... Specially with our finances at the moment plus the yanks want us off their hands.

 

[K23]

Not really, Forest sold less than a million pound worth of player last year, and spent £4.76m. Pretty much a £4m spend, only two clubs spent more and one of them won the league at a canter. They had a really good squad and Cooper got the job done, credit to him, but Martin working under much tighter constraints.

I've got to be honest though, I think it's going to be a struggle with Martin next year, I see no way we can get the players with the skill set he needs to play this football at Championship level out of frees and cheap loans.

That's my fear tbh... Specially with our finances at the moment plus the yanks want us off their hands.

I tend to agree. If someone offers, say, £12M for Piroe and £8M for Downes, our owners will snatch their hands off but how much will actually go towards RM's team strengthening? £2-3M? We will be hard pushed to get anyone with even half the talent of those 2 in so it won't actually be team strengthening, more like team damage limitation.

 

[JackSomething]

That's my fear tbh... Specially with our finances at the moment plus the yanks want us off their hands.

I tend to agree. If someone offers, say, £12M for Piroe and £8M for Downes, our owners will snatch their hands off but how much will actually go towards RM's team strengthening? £2-3M? We will be hard pushed to get anyone with even half the talent of those 2 in so it won't actually be team strengthening, more like team damage limitation.

Piroe and Downes cost £2.5m combined didn't they? So it is technically possible, but puts incredible pressure on the club to make the right transfer decision every time as there is no margin for error.

It all feels a little grim right now without a pot to piss in and with a manager whose 'process' has hardly been convincing so far...

 

[K23]

I tend to agree. If someone offers, say, £12M for Piroe and £8M for Downes, our owners will snatch their hands off but how much will actually go towards RM's team strengthening? £2-3M? We will be hard pushed to get anyone with even half the talent of those 2 in so it won't actually be team strengthening, more like team damage limitation.

Piroe and Downes cost £2.5m combined didn't they? So it is technically possible, but puts incredible pressure on the club to make the right transfer decision every time as there is no margin for error.

It all feels a little grim right now without a pot to piss in and with a manager whose 'process' has hardly been convincing so far...

Yes, either your scouts have to be exceptional which is unlikely because exceptional scouts would more than likely be scouts for a Prem club, or you have to be very lucky and if your luck runs out.................. you're stuffed.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I tend to agree. If someone offers, say, £12M for Piroe and £8M for Downes, our owners will snatch their hands off but how much will actually go towards RM's team strengthening? £2-3M? We will be hard pushed to get anyone with even half the talent of those 2 in so it won't actually be team strengthening, more like team damage limitation.

Piroe and Downes cost £2.5m combined didn't they? So it is technically possible, but puts incredible pressure on the club to make the right transfer decision every time as there is no margin for error.

It all feels a little grim right now without a pot to piss in and with a manager whose 'process' has hardly been convincing so far...

Not sure why people are grizzling about the amount of money available, t's been proven time and time again, that throwing money at a team doesn't guarantee a thing (other than getting deeper in debt). People seem to forget that we got to the top by buying cheap players, cast offs, waifs and strays, but they fitted into the way the managers were building their teams. The premier league ruined big numbers of our fans who just want us to spend send spend.