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Dean Saunders

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jasper_T said:
Some people would dismiss a useful tool simply because they've seen someone use it wrong. As if "evidence of the eye" has a good success rate. You're welcome to engage with the sport in whatever way you wish, but data and analysis has been a big part of football for a long time now, be it Russell Martin quoting his improving metrics to avoid blame, or Sam Allardyce picking his starting 11 off a spreadsheet while on holiday in Dubai.

I don't think Martin is a stats-driven manager, or else we would have changed how we play long before now. He uses stats only where they can back up his ideology; he has a fixed vision of how the game should be played, copying things more-successful managers do even when they don't work for us, and will quote whatever he feels supports him in his beliefs if the results do not. Stats that don't agree are conveniently ignored.

For some people it seems that stats = bad therefore bad manager = stats manager. Which is daft and dishonest on a very Saunders-like level.

We live in a data driven world and we would be weaker without the performance data and statistics. However there is absolutely no need for the verbal diarrhoea that some add to it, Martin being one of them. He would be a good case study for a game of bullsh1t bingo.
 
jasper_T said:
Some people would dismiss a useful tool simply because they've seen someone use it wrong. As if "evidence of the eye" has a good success rate. You're welcome to engage with the sport in whatever way you wish, but data and analysis has been a big part of football for a long time now, be it Russell Martin quoting his improving metrics to avoid blame, or Sam Allardyce picking his starting 11 off a spreadsheet while on holiday in Dubai.

I don't think Martin is a stats-driven manager, or else we would have changed how we play long before now. He uses stats only where they can back up his ideology; he has a fixed vision of how the game should be played, copying things more-successful managers do even when they don't work for us, and will quote whatever he feels supports him in his beliefs if the results do not. Stats that don't agree are conveniently ignored.

For some people it seems that stats = bad therefore bad manager = stats manager. Which is daft and dishonest on a very Saunders-like level.

Probably the most intelligent and insightful football post this or any other site has seen for a long time. Post more please.
 
exiledclaseboy said:
Probably the most intelligent and insightful football post this or any other site has seen for a long time. Post more please.

Not surprising ECB has fallen for the Jasper drivel.. talks out of his a*se on the other site about the u21s.. yet everyone thinks he's mustard.. u21 football, especially Swans u21s are national league or below level.. and the best u21 teams are league one/two standard.. yet Jasp would promote them all into the first team where they'd get eaten alive in the championship.. and the championship isn't great by any stretch, Jasp is like Wyndham, bit blinded to the actual standard and favours local lads to those pesky foreigners attitude
 
exiledclaseboy said:
Oh look out skippy’s had a sugar cube.

Not surprised that you have bought a can of Guinness and not proper Guinness in Ireland that's a totally different drink completely.. but everyone always bets against the house, but they're then puzzled why they've lost hundreds, because the house always wins
 
Skippyjack said:
Not surprised that you have bought a can of Guinness and not proper Guinness in Ireland that's a totally different drink completely.. but everyone always bets against the house, but they're then puzzled why they've lost hundreds, because the house always wins

That’s probably the best response I could ever have hoped for. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Skippyjack said:
Not surprising ECB has fallen for the Jasper drivel.. talks out of his a*se on the other site about the u21s.. yet everyone thinks he's mustard.. u21 football, especially Swans u21s are national league or below level.. and the best u21 teams are league one/two standard.. yet Jasp would promote them all into the first team where they'd get eaten alive in the championship.. and the championship isn't great by any stretch, Jasp is like Wyndham, bit blinded to the actual standard and favours local lads to those pesky foreigners attitude

I think your failing to grasp why every football club in the top 7 tiers invest in "development squads" mate.

It's not ment to be Champions League level.
Get it 👍
 
You can talk 'the process', mention data, blah blah blah..
The only stat that counts is how many games are we winning? Dont need a fckn laptop for that.
 

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