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Five years for killing his wife

Best_loser said:
There seems to be widespread outrage throughout the country over this, MP s asking for it to be looked at, and the action of the judge

Lots of people asking why is he smirking in his mugshot after he just strangled his wife in a vicious prolonged attack

That mugshot gets under my skin. The prick.
 
Best_loser said:
It was only a few days into lockdown , he had no financial problems, he claimed diminished responsibility very quickly, if it was a couple in their 30 s he would probably have got life
Age shouldn't come into it, looks like people have had sympathy for him because of his age, it's wrong, just my opinion

The fact it was "only a few days into lockdown" is actually a mitigating factor in all of this. Our understanding of the developing pandemic was a lot less than now. People were stressed.

Remember that this guy's daughter has testified that her dad had basically lost the plot over the previous 12 months.

The Judge seems to agree, though of course he's not an expert like what we are:
"Having heard the evidence of your state of mind in the year leading up to this awful event, and especially in the preceding few days, I am of the view that your mental state was severely affected at the time. That of course is in line with the verdict the jury returned in this case.".
 
In my opinion its straightforward murder, juries and judges make bad decisions every day of the week
Even if it was manslaughter, him being out in 2 years for doing what he did is disgusting
 
When I did jury service a few years ago I read the reports of the cases that I had been on later in the press and barely recognised them. None of the detail that led us to make our decisions was reported at all, just the headline grabbing sexy bits. Unless you’ve sat through every minute of the evidence and heard the minutiae of the judge’s summing up and instructions to the jury you can’t possibly know better than them.

Of course, jury decisions are sometimes wrong but often they don’t hear every scrap of evidence or are told to ignore some of it. They can only make their decisions based on the evidence presented to the court. Sentencing of course is up to the judge.
 
J_B said:
When I did jury service a few years ago I read the reports of the cases that I had been on later in the press and barely recognised them. None of the detail that led us to make our decisions was reported at all, just the headline grabbing sexy bits. Unless you’ve sat through every minute of the evidence and heard the minutiae of the judge’s summing up and instructions to the jury you can’t possibly know better than them.

Of course, jury decisions are sometimes wrong but often they don’t hear every scrap of evidence or are told to ignore some of it. They can only make their decisions based on the evidence presented to the court. Sentencing of course is up to the judge.
Very envious of you doing jury service. Been wanting to do it for yonks, and I finally got the nod for last July. You can guess the rest... :sleepy:
 
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2021/02/20/how-can-a-5-year-prison-sentence-ever-reflect-the-intentional-taking-of-a-life/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 
Squarebear said:
Best_loser said:
It was only a few days into lockdown , he had no financial problems, he claimed diminished responsibility very quickly, if it was a couple in their 30 s he would probably have got life
Age shouldn't come into it, looks like people have had sympathy for him because of his age, it's wrong, just my opinion

The fact it was "only a few days into lockdown" is actually a mitigating factor in all of this. Our understanding of the developing pandemic was a lot less than now. People were stressed.

Remember that this guy's daughter has testified that her dad had basically lost the plot over the previous 12 months.

The Judge seems to agree, though of course he's not an expert like what we are:
"Having heard the evidence of your state of mind in the year leading up to this awful event, and especially in the preceding few days, I am of the view that your mental state was severely affected at the time. That of course is in line with the verdict the jury returned in this case.".

Can't believe what I have just read, he had started strangling her in the bedroom, she managed to escape down the stairs, he caught her at the front door and finished her off.

She was only 67, had years in front of her, whilst her murdering husband will be walking the streets in 2.5 years.

No wonder he's smirking in the mug shot, he knew the snowflakes would let him get off with murder.

I sincerely hope his sentence is increased.
 

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