If only..

[TerryPHELAN]

We held out against Millwall home, Stoke away, Brum away( all draws from winning positions), Sheff Utd home, Brum home( last minute winners for them).
Couple that with only 3 wins in something like 22, we should’ve been much better off with regards to points on the board and in the play offs.

 

[Cooperman]

Someone wrote on another thread, it read something like 13 points dropped from the 85th minute onwards.

 

[JackFish]

You’re not wrong, but then we beat Blackpool when we probably shouldn’t have, drew with Rotherham when we could easily have lost. Won in the last minute at Cardiff when we could easily have settled for the 2-2…

Every team that just misses out can point to games where they should have got more from.

 

[Cooperman]

You’re not wrong, but then we beat Blackpool when we probably shouldn’t have, drew with Rotherham when we could easily have lost. Won in the last minute at Cardiff when we could easily have settled for the 2-2…

Every team that just misses out can point to games where they should have got more from.

I’m not writing this with any statistical data to hand, but it feels like we have snatched a draw / defeat from the jaws of victory, more times than the other way round.

 

[Copamundial]

We held out against Millwall home, Stoke away, Brum away( all draws from winning positions), Sheff Utd home, Brum home( last minute winners for them).
Couple that with only 3 wins in something like 22, we should’ve been much better off with regards to points on the board and in the play offs.

Probably every team in the division could say the same.

 

[jasper_T]

The teams above us are doing fine impressions of Forest in Cooper's first season to open the door. We can still make the playoffs with 68 points, which I think would be a record low for the division (joint with Leicester in 12/13). 75 needed last season, 77 the season before, Cooper snuck in with 70 on goal difference and it was 74 before that.

As with the Graham Potter season it's easy to see where more points could have come from and think about what might have been given how the season has gone for the rest of the field. We were very poor for such a long time, but look very decent indeed with much the same players in this 4-3-3. Club caught pelters for not signing anyone in January but a tactical switch and some confidence shows we weren't far off for quality (right back excepted).

 

[Darran]

The teams above us are doing fine impressions of Forest in Cooper's first season to open the door. We can still make the playoffs with 68 points, which I think would be a record low for the division (joint with Leicester in 12/13). 75 needed last season, 77 the season before, Cooper snuck in with 70 on goal difference and it was 74 before that.

As with the Graham Potter season it's easy to see where more points could have come from and think about what might have been given how the season has gone for the rest of the field. We were very poor for such a long time, but look very decent indeed with much the same players in this 4-3-3. Club caught pelters for not signing anyone in January but a tactical switch and some confidence shows we weren't far off for quality (right back excepted).

Great post Jasp.

 

[Ross]

I find it wild that so many on this forum were calling for Martin’s head. Some of the vitriol I’ve read on here directed at him has put me off this site completely.

Knee jerk sackings in the midst of bad runs is something all clubs need to start avoiding. People go on about how owners are so trigger happy these days, but most of the time it’s down to the type of clown that posts on this forum unable to handle a few losses and shouting loudest from the stands.

Thank good the yanks didn’t listen to the type of moron who posts on this forum. (Just about the only thing they’ve done right).

 

[sainthelens]

I find it wild that so many on this forum were calling for Martin’s head. Some of the vitriol I’ve read on here directed at him has put me off this site completely.

Knee jerk sackings in the midst of bad runs is something all clubs need to start avoiding. People go on about how owners are so trigger happy these days, but most of the time it’s down to the type of clown that posts on this forum unable to handle a few losses and shouting loudest from the stands.

Thank good the yanks didn’t listen to the type of moron who posts on this forum. (Just about the only thing they’ve done right).

Seriously?
The vast majority on here all want the same as you....a successful team. But what a short memory you have. 3 wins from 21 from the same players that are currently playing like world beaters, the same players that started the season exactly how wer finishing it. The dross in between I cant forget/the same mistakes made week after week when clearly it was the manager who could have solved this. He's had 2 seasons and as limited as the squad is, we should have hit the play offs easily this season. Now if you can't see all that, then keeping him will result in the same again. He never took responsibility for that run, couldn't see what we all could. I'd love him to do well, plain facts are he wont get us top 6 in any season.

 

[Arthurmorgan]

I find it wild that so many on this forum were calling for Martin’s head. Some of the vitriol I’ve read on here directed at him has put me off this site completely.

Knee jerk sackings in the midst of bad runs is something all clubs need to start avoiding. People go on about how owners are so trigger happy these days, but most of the time it’s down to the type of clown that posts on this forum unable to handle a few losses and shouting loudest from the stands.

Thank good the yanks didn’t listen to the type of moron who posts on this forum. (Just about the only thing they’ve done right).

I get what you’re saying in part, but, forums are a place to have opinions, opinions are not right nor wrong, merely expressing a feeling, you also have to see that some of the vitriol you speak of, was born of pure frustration.
I’m of the same opinion as yourself as to when a manager should be sacked, the reasonings I called for it in the midst of the Melee though, was the seemingly final kinda nail at that time, after the Rotherham match, when he gave that Ill advised interview which bordered on bizarre and “attacked” fans, who only really vented at the final whistle, I think a vast majority whilst we play have been shouting and singing support even though they’ve been disgruntled.
Many factors haven’t helped Martin either, owners and transfers alike, I don’t always personally like the heavy possession based affairs that ended with zero product, but yesterday I humbly admit it showed us it can and does work.
I think that mediocrity period we witnessed was in the middle of a storm where we were absolutely in free fall almost, and now somehow we are extremely slim play off candidates, so Martin has to be lauded for that also.
I don’t think these owners would read a forum and act on it, and those that have expressed “vitriol” are entitled to that platform, this is the very place to do it, as with all speech if there’s a “consequence” though, you yourself can combat that if you wish, but I’d not view them as clowns, just fans with a differing opinion.

 

[magicdaps10]

If only
Martin got his cack yogether
If only
We made a few signings in January.

A combination of things, hopefully Martin is over his January blues and here's hoping for a bit of proactive work from the powers that be.

 

[Dr. Winston]

If only we hadn't spent five months between November and March trying the same failed setup over and over again when RM clearly knew all along that it wasn't working and how to fix it but neglected to do so out of sheer stubborness.

It would be asking too much for us to be up there with Sheff Utd and Burnley, but there's no reason whatsoever why this squad couldn't have been right in the battle for the playoffs regardless of the January transfer window other than the man in charge.

 

[Cooperman]

I find it wild that so many on this forum were calling for Martin’s head. Some of the vitriol I’ve read on here directed at him has put me off this site completely.

Knee jerk sackings in the midst of bad runs is something all clubs need to start avoiding. People go on about how owners are so trigger happy these days, but most of the time it’s down to the type of clown that posts on this forum unable to handle a few losses and shouting loudest from the stands.

Thank good the yanks didn’t listen to the type of moron who posts on this forum. (Just about the only thing they’ve done right).

What was it, Ross? Three wins in twenty odd?

Even the most staunch Martin supporter and those that believe in stability (I am also one of the latter) are surely tested by this run. Throw in his stubbornness to change and the blame culture that he seemed to create, then it became a much easier decision.

 

[MrSwerve]

I find it wild that so many on this forum were calling for Martin’s head. Some of the vitriol I’ve read on here directed at him has put me off this site completely.

Knee jerk sackings in the midst of bad runs is something all clubs need to start avoiding. People go on about how owners are so trigger happy these days, but most of the time it’s down to the type of clown that posts on this forum unable to handle a few losses and shouting loudest from the stands.

Thank good the yanks didn’t listen to the type of moron who posts on this forum. (Just about the only thing they’ve done right).

Hang on now, just because we're currently on an excellent run, let's not re-write history.

Up until a month ago, we weren't on a 'bad run'. A bad run is 5 or 6 games where you lose 4 or 5 and draw 1 or 2. We went, what was it, 23 games with 3 wins? Repeating the same old mistakes, playing players out of position, throwing away wins at the death (this was getting comical at one stage). This was the same before our previous purple patch, too.

I really don't get these 'see, I told ya so!' posts when we put together a couple of tidy games. Obviously if RM can keep us winning and ditch some of his awful habits, we'd all want him here. It's looking more positive at the moment but RM is not the messiah all of a sudden.

 

[magicdaps10]

I find it wild that so many on this forum were calling for Martin’s head. Some of the vitriol I’ve read on here directed at him has put me off this site completely.

Knee jerk sackings in the midst of bad runs is something all clubs need to start avoiding. People go on about how owners are so trigger happy these days, but most of the time it’s down to the type of clown that posts on this forum unable to handle a few losses and shouting loudest from the stands.

Thank good the yanks didn’t listen to the type of moron who posts on this forum. (Just about the only thing they’ve done right).

Fans are entitled to their opinion but let's not get away from the fact that Martin was in a bad place up until recently and could rightly have lost his job.......the more knee jerk reaction was September time when people were even claiming papers were being written up for his dismissal, that was pathetic so early.

I think our issue is, too many fans have set the bar higher than we currently are as a squad.... I would be happy with a top 10 finish but with a tinge of what if because the league has been poor but you could throw another 10 teams in the what if category.