Is Vitor Matos the Right Fit for Swansea City? The Case for Patience

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Is Vitor Matos the Right Fit for Swansea City? The Case for Patience

Swansea City finds itself once again at a crossroads, with Vitor Matos emerging as the apparent favourite to take the manager’s job. The reaction among suppor

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[3swan]

Yes a balanced view.
Also from his point of view it can either boost his career or lessen his future chances.

If it is him that he has a massive job, to convince the team as well as fans.

 

[Whaleoilbeefhooked]

Yes a balanced view.
Also from his point of view it can either boost his career or lessen his future chances.

If it is him that he has a massive job, to convince the team as well as fans.

Sorry but That article smelt of Ai to me.

 

[3swan]

Sorry but That article smelt of Ai to me.

Could well be, but Phil will have had to put in some criteria.

 

[Smurph]

Sorry but That article smelt of Ai to me.

Not the AI debate again

Phil has written more articles for this site than we've had hot dinners.

 

[Smurph]

On the topic of Chris Davies, anyone else feel like we dodged a bullet there?

 

[sit_down_jack]

On the topic of Chris Davies, anyone else feel like we dodged a bullet there?

Earlier in the season, yes. I think Birmingham have picked up recently though. The one I lament the most is Eustace, proven himself as a good manager at this level, although yet to challenge near the top, that’s mostly because he was bizarrely sacked by Birmingham and seems like he’s in a different job every season.

 

[tardylum]

On the topic of Chris Davies, anyone else feel like we dodged a bullet there?

Not at all. People massively overreacted to a couple of weeks of mixed results. They have looked like one of the better teams in the league this season as time goes on and he coached them to a dominant league win last year. They have resources and good players but there are no real signs of him being anything other than a competent coach and we have seen many coaches do poorly with good players and resources before. The expectation that they would come up and steamroller the league was a little unrealistic. According to xG they have the 4th best attack and and best defence. I do not know if he would have succeeded here because of the state of us and our players but he has not failed for us to act like we had a lucky escape.

 

[Vetchonian]

It would be interesting to see what was being posted when we appointed Martinez who had zero experience as a coach....he was still only a player at lowly Chester.

Yes we were only lg1 then but he had zero coaching experience when he was appointed.
Of course he knew the club and the players and had Curt and Pascoe to support but still no experience.

Coaches also have different skills and abilities some are just that goad coaches skilled at improving players skills and also communicating the head coaches tactics plan and vision..and whilst they are good at that they may not be able to take the step up to be the tactician and the one in charge.

What strikes me is where does the club go?

We havent in recent years really been the sort of club that employs "journeymen" managers...and who out there would people think we should try?

Mowbray,Warnock, do we look at Garry O'Neill,Liam Manning,Carrick?
I would expect finances may prohibit the employent of the younger ones of these...despite us apparantly about to spend a handsome sum in compo for Mantos so would that money be better invested in experience?

Would any of those names above fit into the club?
Who does everyone think we should be targeting?

Have we as a club become too transfixed with our past and the success gaines with the appointment of "unknown",left field coaches.

We have tried "experienced" coaches recently albeit from lower leagues...and this didnt work so what should we do....maybe this time it might be another ,Toshack,Martinez moment or possibly a Rodgers scenario appointing a manager who had failed elsewhere.

What is critical it has to be right this time

 

[Stopthebus]

It would be interesting to see what was being posted when we appointed Martinez who had zero experience as a coach....he was still only a player at lowly Chester.

Yes we were only lg1 then but he had zero coaching experience when he was appointed.
Of course he knew the club and the players and had Curt and Pascoe to support but still no experience.

Coaches also have different skills and abilities some are just that goad coaches skilled at improving players skills and also communicating the head coaches tactics plan and vision..and whilst they are good at that they may not be able to take the step up to be the tactician and the one in charge.

What strikes me is where does the club go?

We havent in recent years really been the sort of club that employs "journeymen" managers...and who out there would people think we should try?

Mowbray,Warnock, do we look at Garry O'Neill,Liam Manning,Carrick?
I would expect finances may prohibit the employent of the younger ones of these...despite us apparantly about to spend a handsome sum in compo for Mantos so would that money be better invested in experience?

Would any of those names above fit into the club?
Who does everyone think we should be targeting?

Have we as a club become too transfixed with our past and the success gaines with the appointment of "unknown",left field coaches.

We have tried "experienced" coaches recently albeit from lower leagues...and this didnt work so what should we do....maybe this time it might be another ,Toshack,Martinez moment or possibly a Rodgers scenario appointing a manager who had failed elsewhere.

What is critical it has to be right this time

The club during the Martinez days was completely different to now. The expectations were fairly low (I know we got to the playoffs with Jackett but we weren’t expected to be contenders).

Our most recent managers at the time were Kenny Jackett (previously an assistant at QPR), Brian Flynn (only experience at Wrexham) & Nick Cusack (no previous management experience). The expectation was so low.

We are now comparing new managers to the likes of Rodger’s, Laudrup, Potter & Martinez who have all gone to manage at Elite level (bar Laudrup). The expectation is 100 times higher because we can compare to past appointments

 

[Glyn1]

Sorry but That article smelt of Ai to me.

It didn't smell of AI to me though. I'm sure Phil used AI so it read more smoothly but it wasn't any more than that, because there weren't any 'triplets' in it.

AI loves, loves, loves triplets and uses them excessively (lists of three, e.g. blood, sweat and tears / faith, hope and charity) which are fine in small doses but AI goes overboard with them. Go back to some of the earlier articles for examples.

 

[Vetchonian]

The club during the Martinez days was completely different to now. The expectations were fairly low (I know we got to the playoffs with Jackett but we weren’t expected to be contenders).

Our most recent managers at the time were Kenny Jackett (previously an assistant at QPR), Brian Flynn (only experience at Wrexham) & Nick Cusack (no previous management experience). The expectation was so low.

We are now comparing new managers to the likes of Rodger’s, Laudrup, Potter & Martinez who have all gone to manage at Elite level (bar Laudrup). The expectation is 100 times higher because we can compare to past appointments

But as I said Martinez had zero coaching experience when he was appointed yet look what he achieved,Rodgers had not been succesful at Reading and Watford....and had been out of work for a year when we appointed him.
So the comparisons are similar neither Martinez or Rodgers had any accolades as coaches when we appointed them it was thier achievments here which took them to the higher levels....before we have them a chance they were nobodys in terms of coaching .

 

[Dr. Winston]

The success rate for managers with experience vs managers no experience seems to be largely the same. If Matos is going to be a success then the likelihood is that he will be one no matter how many games he's currently been in charge of. All the best coaches have to start somewhere, and it's not as if he's being plucked from Cradley Town's youth team.

Bottom line is I just want to be entertained. I could live with not being promoted as long as I'm not bored out of my skull every other Saturday. Getting back to the Prem would be great, but as long as the other criteria is met I could live without it.

 

[Whaleoilbeefhooked]

Why are we taking a chance, yet again, on an unproven manager at this level?

 

[J_B]

I read that he's an attacking coach but 13 goals in 12 games suggests that he's not as effective as he'd like to be. Maybe his players aren't getting the message or they're not suited to his set up?