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Johnson blames care home workers FFS

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These days, there's barely a day goes by when I don't trust or like Bojo the clown less than I did the day before but this is a below the belt blow even by the incredibly low bar he has set. Cue all the BJ brown nosers and apologists.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/07/boris-johnson-care-home-workers-blame-discharge-coronavirus-testing
 
I blame all these BLM knobs and the clowns at Bournemouth beach. Also the metropolitan police and spineless civil servants and Sadick Khant. What a wank3r he is
 
Releasing untested patients into care homes was an undoubted catastrophe and probably responsible for a goodly proportion of UK deaths, but on the flip side there's definitely a tale to be told about the care industry. I don't think it's wrong to question how facilities charging up to a grand a week in some cases can justifiably claim to be short of PPE or other such excuses that have been made. You would have to assume that dealing with viral outbreaks of various types is part and parcel of the service they provide, yet some have done a much better job of handling it than others.
 
The bloke is a bellend when it's going well, which is not that often, he and his cronies continually pat backs and self congratulate. When it goes nubs up, it's always someone else's fault.
Sorry Boris you've been rumbled, the games up pal.👋👋👋👋
 
Dr. Winston said:
Releasing untested patients into care homes was an undoubted catastrophe and probably responsible for a goodly proportion of UK deaths, but on the flip side there's definitely a tale to be told about the care industry. I don't think it's wrong to question how facilities charging up to a grand a week in some cases can justifiably claim to be short of PPE or other such excuses that have been made. You would have to assume that dealing with viral outbreaks of various types is part and parcel of the service they provide, yet some have done a much better job of handling it than others.

My son's partner works in a care home for just over 80 residents which is well run and has a good reputation. Their stock level of ppe would normally cater for around 2-3 months work and is regularly replenished using long term contracts so that they don't have to keep ordering more as deliveries are prescheduled. This has nothing to do with how much they charge, it's just that they don't have unlimited storage space for ppe, bedding, etc. This system has worked perfectly well for years but when coronavirus hit, that 2-3 months supply was used up in about 2-3 weeks and they struggled desperately to get more as their regular contract suppliers quickly ran out. They had several people who would normally be caring for residents working full time on sourcing ppe and workers were also sourcing and providing their own. Just because some care homes charge up to a grand a week does not mean that they all have unlimited stocks of ppe or have priority access to unlimited replacement stocks, it doesn't work like that. If the supply chain collapses and the national infrastructure does not have a satisfactory response capability, it wouldn't matter if the care homes charged 5 grand a week or even more, if the ppe isn't there, they can't buy it and the fact it wasn't there.
 
You must ask yourself why half of care homes have had no deaths while the other half have had multiple deaths.
 
karnataka said:
Dr. Winston said:
Releasing untested patients into care homes was an undoubted catastrophe and probably responsible for a goodly proportion of UK deaths, but on the flip side there's definitely a tale to be told about the care industry. I don't think it's wrong to question how facilities charging up to a grand a week in some cases can justifiably claim to be short of PPE or other such excuses that have been made. You would have to assume that dealing with viral outbreaks of various types is part and parcel of the service they provide, yet some have done a much better job of handling it than others.

My son's partner works in a care home for just over 80 residents which is well run and has a good reputation. Their stock level of ppe would normally cater for around 2-3 months work and is regularly replenished using long term contracts so that they don't have to keep ordering more as deliveries are prescheduled. This has nothing to do with how much they charge, it's just that they don't have unlimited storage space for ppe, bedding, etc. This system has worked perfectly well for years but when coronavirus hit, that 2-3 months supply was used up in about 2-3 weeks and they struggled desperately to get more as their regular contract suppliers quickly ran out. They had several people who would normally be caring for residents working full time on sourcing ppe and workers were also sourcing and providing their own. Just because some care homes charge up to a grand a week does not mean that they all have unlimited stocks of ppe or have priority access to unlimited replacement stocks, it doesn't work like that. If the supply chain collapses and the national infrastructure does not have a satisfactory response capability, it wouldn't matter if the care homes charged 5 grand a week or even more, if the ppe isn't there, they can't buy it and the fact it wasn't there.

The question is why they were not prepared for a outbreak of say SARS-COV2 or even NORAvirus surely these known threats must have been risk assessed and PPE along with the relevant procedures put in place for staff not to cross contaminate. I for one welcome a inquiry into how some homes performed really well and some haven't as they are charging exorbitant fees. Drakeford and Gething have a lot of explaining to do.
 
Within the heading care homes there are nursing homes and residential homes. Nursing homes would normally have plenty of PPE because they give clinical care. Residential homes normally carry gloves and aprons but not much more. District nurses attend residential homes to carry out any clinical procedures such as changing specialist dressings and they bring their PPE with them. Back in March the NHS was struggling to get appropriate PPE so residential homes had little chance and were being sent people with Covid. This was when Boris was shaking the hands of Covid patients in hospital which almost cost him his life.

A perfect storm.
 
J_B said:
Within the heading care homes there are nursing homes and residential homes. Nursing homes would normally have plenty of PPE because they give clinical care. Residential homes normally carry gloves and aprons but not much more. District nurses attend residential homes to carry out any clinical procedures such as changing specialist dressings and they bring their PPE with them. Back in March the NHS was struggling to get appropriate PPE so residential homes had little chance and were being sent people with Covid. This was when Boris was shaking the hands of Covid patients in hospital which almost cost him his life.

A perfect storm.

So you saying the NHS clinicians were sending people out of hospital with Covid into Residential care homes who had no PPE ? Surely no professional ran health service would be this negligent.
 
KrunchyKarrot said:
J_B said:
Within the heading care homes there are nursing homes and residential homes. Nursing homes would normally have plenty of PPE because they give clinical care. Residential homes normally carry gloves and aprons but not much more. District nurses attend residential homes to carry out any clinical procedures such as changing specialist dressings and they bring their PPE with them. Back in March the NHS was struggling to get appropriate PPE so residential homes had little chance and were being sent people with Covid. This was when Boris was shaking the hands of Covid patients in hospital which almost cost him his life.

A perfect storm.

So you saying the NHS clinicians were sending people out of hospital with Covid into Residential care homes who had no PPE ? Surely no professional ran health service would be this negligent.

They were sending people out of hospital to care homes without testing them for COVID. The PPE situation in care homes was desperate at the time. Given the vulnerability of everyone negligent doesn’t start to cover it.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-care-homes-discharge/
 
J_B said:
KrunchyKarrot said:
J_B said:
Within the heading care homes there are nursing homes and residential homes. Nursing homes would normally have plenty of PPE because they give clinical care. Residential homes normally carry gloves and aprons but not much more. District nurses attend residential homes to carry out any clinical procedures such as changing specialist dressings and they bring their PPE with them. Back in March the NHS was struggling to get appropriate PPE so residential homes had little chance and were being sent people with Covid. This was when Boris was shaking the hands of Covid patients in hospital which almost cost him his life.

A perfect storm.

So you saying the NHS clinicians were sending people out of hospital with Covid into Residential care homes who had no PPE ? Surely no professional ran health service would be this negligent.

They were sending people out of hospital to care homes without testing them for COVID. The PPE situation in care homes was desperate at the time. Given the vulnerability of everyone negligent doesn’t start to cover it.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-care-homes-discharge/
As ive stated above Drakeford and Gething have a lot of explaining regarding testing and the Welsh NHS.
 

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