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Martin Ball - A bygone era?

RWPower10

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Modern high level football games between evenly matched teams are won and lost in the offensive and defensive transitions. I’ll expand…..
Take the Spanish team at the World Cup excellent team on paper passed the ball to death without any penetration and it allowed teams to setup defensively and pick them off when they turned the ball over.
Take Swansea’s last 6 games. We’ve passed the ball often in “safe” areas along the back and into midfield where we’ve often given up possession though a poor touch or control. The opposition has been able to pick the ball up in transition and attack the space causing us to concede a good chance against our goal. For good examples looks at Bristol and Birmingham.
Going forward because our build up play is methodical though the pitch without the required pace/width it we spend a lot of time probing around the box giving teams time to move form side to side and get into their defensive shape. It’s such a precise way of playing that in the absence of genuine pace or width it’s nearly impossible to be successful at and hardly anyone plays this brand of football anymore.
Modern, progressive teams now want to do their attacking work in the transition i.e through winning the ball high up the pitch and attacking the space or through a misplaced pass. If you want a good example take a look at Preston’s 4 goals at Blackburn on Saturday and how unstructured the Blackburn defence was when pressed.
We spent a lot of time chasing an equaliser against Norwich but our crossing was largely ineffective in open play, why? Because when we cross the ball the opposition are nearly always in their defensive shape in numbers which means it’s either got to be perfect it’s a low % play. If you cross the ball having won the ball back high up the pitch the defensive line has lost its structure, they are running towards their own goal and the midfielders can’t support.

No better example of this than the phase of play before Norwich scored. A dreadful pass from Latibeaudiere in our defensive zone, Norwich turn it over and it’s a good opportunity to score as there’s no structure in our defence and too late for the midfield to get back.

It’s telling that the recent FIFA study showed goalkeepers are more involved than ever because teams are pressing higher forcing defenders to turn back and more goals are coming from wide areas through crosses when the ball is turned over.

In the Championship you’ve got an extremely competitive league with very little point of difference between a lot of the teams. The evidence suggests the extreme passing method is becoming easier to play against because it brings so much structure the opposition can easily plan for it.

It just feels like Russ and his style of play would have been more suited in a previous era and modern football has simply moved on…….
 
RWPower10 said:
Modern high level football games between evenly matched teams are won and lost in the offensive and defensive transitions. I’ll expand…..
Take the Spanish team at the World Cup excellent team on paper passed the ball to death without any penetration and it allowed teams to setup defensively and pick them off when they turned the ball over.
Take Swansea’s last 6 games. We’ve passed the ball often in “safe” areas along the back and into midfield where we’ve often given up possession though a poor touch or control. The opposition has been able to pick the ball up in transition and attack the space causing us to concede a good chance against our goal. For good examples looks at Bristol and Birmingham.
Going forward because our build up play is methodical though the pitch without the required pace/width it we spend a lot of time probing around the box giving teams time to move form side to side and get into their defensive shape. It’s such a precise way of playing that in the absence of genuine pace or width it’s nearly impossible to be successful at and hardly anyone plays this brand of football anymore.
Modern, progressive teams now want to do their attacking work in the transition I.e through winning the ball high up the pitch and attacking the space or through a misplaced pass. If you want a good example take a look at Preston’s 4 goals at Blackburn on Saturday and how unstructured the Blackburn defence was when pressed.

It’s telling that the goalkeeper is more involved than ever because teams are pressing higher forcing defenders to turn back and more goals are coming from wide areas through crosses.

In summary it feels like the brand of football Russell wants to play is from a previous era and football has moved on.

Magnificent post. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
 
More seriously - yes. Spot on. Teams kill us time after time on turnovers and mistakes and it will continue.

There's nothing brave about over passing in your own half. Bravery is incisive passing when it matters and then we are anything but brave.
 
It’s why teams are happy to give us the ball and stay in shape. They know we will give the ball away and put ourselves under pressure time and time again. Teams don’t even need to be in a low block, they can stay in a mid block try and pressure the passing lanes and go forward when the opportunity presents itself.
 
Good post.

Also these days the passing / possession based game used as a tactic to tire teams out so "they can't run anymore" is somewhat negated by the fact the opposition can now bring on 5 subs.
 
Great thread, some very valid points made.
Are you reading this Russ?
 
We have become so peed off with our style of play. At one point against Norwich we made the firm decision that, if they scored again and we remained bored, we would leave The Liberty. In future, should the weather turn for the worse or we concoct some such other previously ignored reason for not going down, then we will not attend. Seriously disenchanted.
 
It's frustrating because Laudrup recognised this ten years ago and implemented the rule that by the third pass we have to be hurting the opposition.
 
It doesn't work, this is nothing new, he's got this weird obsession that playing passes between the back four and the midfield passing it backwards and sideways is "brave".. the possession game has been resigned to the dust bin, because teams and coaches have worked it all out, positionally players and teams have got better in their shape.. look at tonight's game, Argentina sat in and pounced expertly and easily nullified anything Croatia attempted
 
Top notch thread.

You should disseminate the message to the Club and other Swans media outlets - most esp the fawning, unthinking Martin-propagandist sites.

Russell Martin is a canny fraud. He, and brand-Martin feeds off the twp:
- When Martinball loses - the sheeple go in hiding. Not a bleat. no nothing, nada.
- When Martinball sneaks a win - the sheeple find an unnaturally vengeful vocal vitriolic voice - attacking those who had the intelligence to constructively critique RM.

The thick sheeple 'simply' trust in his process. That's it. No nothing, no rational support for whatever the heck Martinball is.

It's beyond cult-like. And yet the Martin sheeple are too thick to be cults. Go figure.

It's Bonkers, as heck.
 
I think aswell our previous coaches who wanted to pass the ball Rodgers, Martínez, Laudrup all played with two genuine wingers which meant they could mix it up and get behind teams, there was variety to the game.

Martin sets his teams up with a lack of pace which means the precise passing is the only option and it’s now becoming easily negated.
 

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