Shamima Begum can return to UK to fight citizenship, Court of Appeal rules

[TheLoneRanger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53427197

 

[Toronto_Motors]

Where to start...

 

[legoman]

Will be the new site's first 100 pager

 

[TheLoneRanger]

There's still a long way to go in this case. The Home Office will definitely appeal this decision and it could eventually end up in the Supreme Court.

 

[Toronto_Motors]

There's still a long way to go in this case. The Home Office will definitely appeal this decision and it could eventually end up in the Supreme Court.

Apparently they are.
It is judges who have decided this and it shows just how they think.It (they) terrify me,genuinely.

Ive seen, first hand, the result of bombing and it's not pretty but thoe make these decision are cossotted well away from such evil. It is us ,poor feckers,who are so much at risk.

We have to to all we can to protect our people.This girl did all she could to destroy. Radicalised or not,we are assuming she is somehow fit to mingle amongst the denizens of our towns and cities.It is one hell of a judgement and the most risky one I can imagine.

 

[J_B]

It would be good if the government stopped breaking its own laws. This government has previous for it and needs to understand that it has to work within the law or change it.

 

[Pacemaker]

There's still a long way to go in this case. The Home Office will definitely appeal this decision and it could eventually end up in the Supreme Court.

Apparently they are.
It is judges who have decided this and it shows just how they think.It (they) terrify me,genuinely.

Ive seen, first hand, the result of bombing and it's not pretty but thoe make these decision are cossotted well away from such evil. It is us ,poor feckers,who are so much at risk.

We have to to all we can to protect our people.This girl did all she could to destroy. Radicalised or not,we are assuming she is somehow fit to mingle amongst the denizens of our towns and cities.It is one hell of a judgement and the most risky one I can imagine.

Democracy is why we went to Iraq in the first place, it seems a bit ironic not to practice it but attempt to force the rules on others. It is the right of every accused subject in this country to hear and see the evidence against them.

 

[Toronto_Motors]

There's still a long way to go in this case. The Home Office will definitely appeal this decision and it could eventually end up in the Supreme Court.

Apparently they are.
It is judges who have decided this and it shows just how they think.It (they) terrify me,genuinely.

Ive seen, first hand, the result of bombing and it's not pretty but thoe make these decision are cossotted well away from such evil. It is us ,poor feckers,who are so much at risk.

We have to to all we can to protect our people.This girl did all she could to destroy. Radicalised or not,we are assuming she is somehow fit to mingle amongst the denizens of our towns and cities.It is one hell of a judgement and the most risky one I can imagine.

Democracy is why we went to Iraq in the first place, it seems a bit ironic not to practice it but attempt to force the rules on others. It is the right of every accused subject in this country to hear and see the evidence against them.

Fair reply ,however,not sure if democracy was the reason we invaded Iraq .Its also the case that ,for me, allowing her back for whatever reason ,is risky and ,if nothing else,we have to protect our people.I would be shattered if she won her case and carried through her ISIS beliefs which only she has aid she eshews now .You make a fair point however and I appreciate the way you expressed it a you did.

 

[FieryJack]

She lost her citizenship as a sop to rabid populism and to act as a severe warning to other teenagers who might be tempted down the route she took.

If she fails to regain her citizenship it will be because she's still deemed a threat. Unlikely.

If she regains her citizenship she'll quietly disappear from view, restart her life, and end up leading a dull, unremarkable and nondescript existence, just like the rest of us.

Then in 20 years time one of the Sunday rags, short on stories, will track her down, grill her friends and relatives, and publish an exclusive story along the lines of "Remember devil-woman Begum? She's now a doting grandmother of 3, works on a flower stall in Whitechapel, pays her Council Tax, and volunteers in charity shop!!"

Who'd of thunk it? Not the f*ckers who demonised her in the first place, that's for sure.

 

[Toronto_Motors]

She lost her citizenship as a sop to rabid populism and to act as a severe warning to other teenagers who might be tempted down the route she took.

If she fails to regain her citizenship it will be because she's still deemed a threat. Unlikely.

If she regains her citizenship she'll quietly disappear from view, restart her life, and end up leading a dull, unremarkable and nondescript existence, just like the rest of us.

Then in 20 years time one of the Sunday rags, short on stories, will track her down, grill her friends and relatives, and publish an exclusive story along the lines of "Remember devil-woman Begum? She's now a doting grandmother of 3, works on a flower stall in Whitechapel, pays her Council Tax, and volunteers in charity shop!!"

Who'd of thunk it? Not the f*ckers who demonised her in the first place, that's for sure.

In 20 yrs time,there will be no Sunday rags,in fact give it 10 yrs .

I'd say a person who eulogises beheading human beings is well qualified to be termed demonised. Her thinking puts your family,friends at risk and make no mistake about it.There is no proof she is no demon. There is proof that her chums actively enjoy killing people,babies included.

Depends on your viewpoint really but I 'll class her as a demon ,bitch and terrorist chum ,if its all the same to you.

Be safe-seriously.

 

[BrynCartwright]

She lost her citizenship as a sop to rabid populism and to act as a severe warning to other teenagers who might be tempted down the route she took.

If she fails to regain her citizenship it will be because she's still deemed a threat. Unlikely.

If she regains her citizenship she'll quietly disappear from view, restart her life, and end up leading a dull, unremarkable and nondescript existence, just like the rest of us.

Then in 20 years time one of the Sunday rags, short on stories, will track her down, grill her friends and relatives, and publish an exclusive story along the lines of "Remember devil-woman Begum? She's now a doting grandmother of 3, works on a flower stall in Whitechapel, pays her Council Tax, and volunteers in charity shop!!"

Who'd of thunk it? Not the f*ckers who demonised her in the first place, that's for sure.

In 20 yrs time,there will be no Sunday rags,in fact give it 10 yrs .

I'd say a person who eulogises beheading human beings is well qualified to be termed demonised. Her thinking puts your family,friends at risk and make no mistake about it.There is no proof she is no demon. There is proof that her chums actively enjoy killing people,babies included.

Depends on your viewpoint really but I 'll class her as a demon ,bitch and terrorist chum ,if its all the same to you.

Be safe-seriously.

I agree completely. She is a fundamentailist with absolutely no contrition.

She needs to stay away from my friends and family who, unlike her, agree that beheading someone because they do, or do not believe in some made up sky pixy is wrong.

 

[controversial_jack]

She was only 15 at the time, not even legally responsible. She didn't actually fight against Britain.British citizens go overseas to fight causes all the time.This is a non issue as far as i can see.

 

[DwightYorkeSuperstar]

I sincerely hope she spends the rest of her life in a Syrian prison cell and is never allowed to return to the UK.

This is her speaking at the age of 19:

Was there a point when you started to have second thoughts about your life under Islamic State?

Only at the end, after my son died. I realised I had to get out for the sake of my children - for the sake of my daughter and my baby. Yeah.

Only at the end?

Yeah.

You didn't have any regrets up until that point?

No.

Did you know what Islamic State were doing when you left for Syria? Because they had beheaded people. There were executions.

Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed. So I was okay with it.

You didn't question that?

No, not at all.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I sincerely hope she spends the rest of her life in a Syrian prison cell and is never allowed to return to the UK.

This is her speaking at the age of 19:

Was there a point when you started to have second thoughts about your life under Islamic State?

Only at the end, after my son died. I realised I had to get out for the sake of my children - for the sake of my daughter and my baby. Yeah.

Only at the end?

Yeah.

You didn't have any regrets up until that point?

No.

Did you know what Islamic State were doing when you left for Syria? Because they had beheaded people. There were executions.

Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed. So I was okay with it.

You didn't question that?

No, not at all.

Be careful butt, she'll be stalking you if she comes back.

 

[FieryJack]

She lost her citizenship as a sop to rabid populism and to act as a severe warning to other teenagers who might be tempted down the route she took.

If she fails to regain her citizenship it will be because she's still deemed a threat. Unlikely.

If she regains her citizenship she'll quietly disappear from view, restart her life, and end up leading a dull, unremarkable and nondescript existence, just like the rest of us.

Then in 20 years time one of the Sunday rags, short on stories, will track her down, grill her friends and relatives, and publish an exclusive story along the lines of "Remember devil-woman Begum? She's now a doting grandmother of 3, works on a flower stall in Whitechapel, pays her Council Tax, and volunteers in charity shop!!"

Who'd of thunk it? Not the f*ckers who demonised her in the first place, that's for sure.

In 20 yrs time,there will be no Sunday rags,in fact give it 10 yrs .

I'd say a person who eulogises beheading human beings is well qualified to be termed demonised. Her thinking puts your family,friends at risk and make no mistake about it.There is no proof she is no demon. There is proof that her chums actively enjoy killing people,babies included.

Depends on your viewpoint really but I 'll class her as a demon ,bitch and terrorist chum ,if its all the same to you.

Be safe-seriously.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

If she'd committed any atrocities I'd understand your hard-line view - in fact, I wouldn't be averse to pulling the trigger myself, so to speak.

But, to me, she was, at the time, a gullible, disconnected, impressionable, dim teenager, ripe for grooming.

One other thing - "There is no proof she is no demon."

This is a twisted and dangerous argument, and one that was used to hang "witches" in the 17th century. It is not up to her to prove she is not a demon any more than it is up to you to prove you didn't steal your neighbour's lawnmower when accused of doing so.

The law, in this country at least, is that you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

In your world people are guilty unless they can prove their innocence.

That is a bad road to go down.