So, C19

[sainthelens]

Leaders you say. :lol:

It was a very loosely based description.

 

[waynekerr55]

Leaders you say. :lol:

Got all the big calls right though...

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Is J123 really claiming he was “right all along” and we all now see the wisdom of his wise counsel all through the pandemic?

Good Lord.

 

[K23]

One off the biggest social and economic disasters to ever hit this country, set us back at least a decade, maybe more.
Didnt help of course that we had a load of lying, corrupt clowns in charge. F***in shocking. It didnt need to be that way.

I'm not sure that the pandemic set us back a decade. Most of the major EU states were back to pre-pandemic GDP levels by January 2022, nearly 2 years ago, but ours didn't recover anything like as quickly due to the effects of Brexit. I don't think the pandemic hit us any harder than it did Germany, France, Spain or Italy but they all recovered quite quickly and by January 2022, the economy of the whole Eurozone was above pre-pandemic levels. In September 2022 when pretty much the whole of Europe had been back on its feet for 8-9 months, the UK was the only G7 country with an economy still smaller than pre-Covid and it took us until early this year, about a year longer than all the others, to get back to pre-Covid GDP levels.

https://www.ft.com/content/23c66b71-557d-4aa5-92cd-80f8bdb1d242

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/uk-is-only-g7-country-with-smaller-economy-than-before-covid-19

https://www.ft.com/content/af5820bf-0af6-4228-8223-4cb79cc5a6d6

 

[K23]

Is J123 really claiming he was “right all along” and we all now see the wisdom of his wise counsel all through the pandemic?

I've read most of his post 3-4 times now and I still don't get what he thinks has changed the world view on Covid-19 and vaccines that now validates everything he said.

 

[Jack2jack]

I'm not sure that the pandemic set us back a decade. Most of the major EU states were back to pre-pandemic GDP levels by January 2022, nearly 2 years ago, but ours didn't recover anything like as quickly due to the effects of Brexit. I don't think the pandemic hit us any harder than it did Germany, France, Spain or Italy but they all recovered quite quickly and by January 2022, the economy of the whole Eurozone was above pre-pandemic levels. In September 2022 when pretty much the whole of Europe had been back on its feet for 8-9 months, the UK was the only G7 country with an economy still smaller than pre-Covid and it took us until early this year, about a year longer than all the others, to get back to pre-Covid GDP levels.

https://www.ft.com/content/23c66b71-557d-4aa5-92cd-80f8bdb1d242

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/uk-is-only-g7-country-with-smaller-economy-than-before-covid-19

https://www.ft.com/content/af5820bf-0af6-4228-8223-4cb79cc5a6d6

I get what you are saying K, but surely it goes much deeper than that. Take waiting lists for the NHS, how has the Covid era affected that for instance, I've not looked into it, but, it must have had an impact, waiting lists, have still not recovered. The pure cost of Covid, means we are massively in debt. Now that's going to impact, services, and the amount of money the government has to spend, like I've said I'm no economist, far from it, there is no bottomless pit of cash, it's going to take time to get back on an even keel, overall not just our GDP. I'm probably all over the gaff on this, it's just my thoughts.

 

[K23]

I get what you are saying K, but surely it goes much deeper than that. Take waiting lists for the NHS, how has the Covid era affected that for instance, I've not looked into it, but, it must have had an impact, waiting lists, have still not recovered. The pure cost of Covid, means we are massively in debt. Now that's going to impact, services, and the amount of money the government has to spend, like I've said I'm no economist, far from it, there is no bottomless pit of cash, it's going to take time to get back on an even keel, overall not just our GDP. I'm probably all over the gaff on this, it's just my thoughts.

I understand where you're coming from but do you honestly believe that this government actually wants NHS waiting lists to go down and for the NHS to be adequately funded? It's just not in their DNA and they've given up now anyway. If they did, they could start by getting the countless billions back from the corrupt PPE contracts and the useless test and trace system. The country will be hamstrung by Brexit for some considerable time to come IMO.

 

[Jack2jack]

I understand where you're coming from but do you honestly believe that this government actually wants NHS waiting lists to go down and for the NHS to be adequately funded? It's just not in their DNA and they've given up now anyway. If they did, they could start by getting the countless billions back from the corrupt PPE contracts and the useless test and trace system. The country will be hamstrung by Brexit for some considerable time to come IMO.

No, I dont, to be honest, my gut feeling, is that we are heading for a system of private health care, already folk, in desperate need of treatment, are digging deep to pay for surgery etc themselves, the system is broken. Now whether that is by design or not is another question.

 

[jack123]

Is J123 really claiming he was “right all along” and we all now see the wisdom of his wise counsel all through the pandemic?

Good Lord.

Or maybe I was claiming they were wrong all along?

I suppose my thoughts are, to cut a long story short, they locked us down, do this and that, yet the government weren't even following the rules themselves.

And I must say I find this inquiry farcical already, You have got Vallance, trying to chuck Boris under the bus, yet he is, or was the Chief Scientific officer at the time, so what was the point in him being there?

If i was cross examining in this inquiry, I would have definitely said to him, that maybe the reason Boris couldn't grasp what you were talking about, and forgot about it soon after, is because (A) Mr Vallance, your presentation skills are not very good, or (B) you do not know what you are talking about!! Personally I think it's the latter, because I watched Vallances talk on graphs he is on about that Boris couldn't grasp, and I couldn't grasp WTH he was on about either.

Basically Vallance was making a relatively easy subject complicated, and IMHO people that do that, do not really grasp the subject themselves.

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

No, I dont, to be honest, my gut feeling, is that we are heading for a system of private health care, already folk, in desperate need of treatment, are digging deep to pay for surgery etc themselves, the system is broken. Now whether that is by design or not is another question.

I think it’s an undeniable fact that the Conservatives want the health service privatised . Think of all of the contracts they can give to their mates! It’s doomed because, in a global capitalist world anything that doesn’t make a profit is not worth saving. That’s down to us at the ballot box. I’m not entirely blaming the Tories, PPI has not helped.

 

[Jack2jack]

I think it’s an undeniable fact that the Conservatives want the health service privatised . Think of all of the contracts they can give to their mates! It’s doomed because, in a global capitalist world anything that doesn’t make a profit is not worth saving. That’s down to us at the ballot box. I’m not entirely blaming the Tories, PPI has not helped.

There are enough pigs at the trough at present, but you are absolutely correct of course, if this lot get in again the NHS as we know it will be gone. Look at everything else that's been privatised, not always(hardly ever) for the better, that's the problem when you have to keep your shareholders happy.