Test and Trace

[Cooperman]

Currently running at a forecasted cost of £37 billion.

Read that back slowly - thirty seven billion pounds.

The latest tranche of funding was signed off within Sunak’s recent budget, a value of £15 billion. I must admit that I did not pick up this fact in either his speech or what I read immediately afterwards.

Hundreds, possibly even thousands of consultants involved, some of which have been commanding fees of £5k per day. Over 400 separate contracts awarded many of which have not gone to competitive tender, and more than 200 separate suppliers with a finger in the pie.

Huge questions to be asked about value for money.

£37 billion!!!!

 

[Darran]

Let’s be honest here nobody on this planet should be defending probably the biggest piece of scum I’ve ever seen in government.
He shouldn’t just go as health secretary he should go as an MP,in fact he should be in a criminal court.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/08/hancocks-department-did-90m-ppe-deal-with-firm-listed-at-hotel-room-14210310/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Professor]

Complete political decision. Bypassed local Public Health Directors who understand what was needed and could have co-ordinated this with the NHS. The lab support via the Lighthouse Labs was useful and important in the large waves, but local capacity could have helped (including universties who set up their own testing in the Autumn). But this is a devolved resource and the current government wants central control and thinks private sector first. At least half that money has been pissed away by incompetence and paying exorbitant fees, wages and profits.

Utterly disgraceful. Look at how well NHS delivery of vaccines with Army logistics is doing. That tells you all you need know,

 

[Jack2jack]

So basically we are saying here, that its cost 37,yes 37 Billion pounds to develop an App, well I'm sorry, and I'll stand corrected here, I don't know of any App on this planet, that has cost 37 Billion to get to market. Jesus wept.
And I'm pretty sure that South Korea, who have nailed Track and Trace by the way, offered to help with our system or even supply one, obviously at a cost, but I bet it wouldn't have been 37 billion quid.
37 billion, that's about 1/10th of the total cost of this Pandemic, so far.
Well I've said it from the start its been a disaster, Handcock, Boris, should all do the decent thing and resign.
And there should be a fully independent enquiry into the handling of all this, and the accountants need to get in there too, to tell us where OUR money has gone to.

 

[Professor]

So basically we are saying here, that its cost 37,yes 37 Billion pounds to develop an App, well I'm sorry, and I'll stand corrected here, I don't know of any App on this planet, that has cost 37 Billion to get to market. Jesus wept.
And I'm pretty sure that South Korea, who have nailed Track and Trace by the way, offered to help with our system or even supply one, obviously at a cost, but I bet it wouldn't have been 37 billion quid.
37 billion, that's about 1/10th of the total cost of this Pandemic, so far.
Well I've said it from the start its been a disaster, Handcock, Boris, should all do the decent thing and resign.
And there should be a fully independent enquiry into the handling of all this, and the accountants need to get in there too, to tell us where OUR money has gone to.

The App was part of it, but cost billions when Germany (who offered the UK use) developed theirs for a couple of million Euros and it worked. Some costs are the testing, but then this was done in a very inefficient and cock-eyed way using private contractors (like Randox) often using poor standard consumables like swabs that were unusable. The big Lighthouse Labs were fine-these were run logistically by the army and set up by hundreds of academic microbiologists otherwise twiddling their thumbs because research was largely shut down (including one of my PhD students). They now employ lots of staff (we lost one to manage the centre in Newcastle). It's not 37 billion down the drain, but we could have had a working system for a fraction of the cost. But no profits to be made of course.

 

[Best_loser]

You won't see the Welsh toryboy twats mention this though
They just bleat on and on about a few million the WA might have wasted

 

[Jack2jack]

So basically we are saying here, that its cost 37,yes 37 Billion pounds to develop an App, well I'm sorry, and I'll stand corrected here, I don't know of any App on this planet, that has cost 37 Billion to get to market. Jesus wept.
And I'm pretty sure that South Korea, who have nailed Track and Trace by the way, offered to help with our system or even supply one, obviously at a cost, but I bet it wouldn't have been 37 billion quid.
37 billion, that's about 1/10th of the total cost of this Pandemic, so far.
Well I've said it from the start its been a disaster, Handcock, Boris, should all do the decent thing and resign.
And there should be a fully independent enquiry into the handling of all this, and the accountants need to get in there too, to tell us where OUR money has gone to.

The App was part of it, but cost billions when Germany (who offered the UK use) developed theirs for a couple of million Euros and it worked. Some costs are the testing, but then this was done in a very inefficient and cock-eyed way using private contractors (like Randox) often using poor standard consumables like swabs that were unusable. The big Lighthouse Labs were fine-these were run logistically by the army and set up by hundreds of academic microbiologists otherwise twiddling their thumbs because research was largely shut down (including one of my PhD students). They now employ lots of staff (we lost one to manage the centre in Newcastle). It's not 37 billion down the drain, but we could have had a working system for a fraction of the cost. But no profits to be made of course.

I understand it's not just for the App, but bloody hell, which ever way you look at it, that's a hell of a burn rate, in let's say 18 months. So if you say we could have facilitated a system for a fraction of the cost, then I say, why has this cost too much, who is responsible, who's to blame, this just can't be brushed under the carpet. Questions need to be asked, perhaps now is not the time, but someone will have to come up with the answers.

 

[Cooperman]

The App was part of it, but cost billions when Germany (who offered the UK use) developed theirs for a couple of million Euros and it worked. Some costs are the testing, but then this was done in a very inefficient and cock-eyed way using private contractors (like Randox) often using poor standard consumables like swabs that were unusable. The big Lighthouse Labs were fine-these were run logistically by the army and set up by hundreds of academic microbiologists otherwise twiddling their thumbs because research was largely shut down (including one of my PhD students). They now employ lots of staff (we lost one to manage the centre in Newcastle). It's not 37 billion down the drain, but we could have had a working system for a fraction of the cost. But no profits to be made of course.

I understand it's not just for the App, but bloody hell, which ever way you look at it, that's a hell of a burn rate, in let's say 18 months. So if you say we could have facilitated a system for a fraction of the cost, then I say, why has this cost too much, who is responsible, who's to blame, this just can't be brushed under the carpet. Questions need to be asked, perhaps now is not the time, but someone will have to come up with the answers.

Now is very much the time to launch an independent enquiry. The later the launch of such a study then the greater the opportunity for cover up.

 

[Jack2jack]

I understand it's not just for the App, but bloody hell, which ever way you look at it, that's a hell of a burn rate, in let's say 18 months. So if you say we could have facilitated a system for a fraction of the cost, then I say, why has this cost too much, who is responsible, who's to blame, this just can't be brushed under the carpet. Questions need to be asked, perhaps now is not the time, but someone will have to come up with the answers.

Now is very much the time to launch an independent enquiry. The later the launch of such a study then the greater the opportunity for cover up.

Yep, you are of course correct, the whole lot needs investigating, every contract, every deal, the whole lot.
This shocking.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Slightly changing the subject, myself my wife and son have just completed 10 days of self isolation after being pinged by the track and trace app, the wife has been shielding from the off, my son is working from home, so only myself working as per, so, how can all three of us have been in close contact with someone who had tested positive for coronavirus you might ask?...

The answer, our next door neighbours, both came down with C19 unfortunately, and although they are great neighbours to have our paths rarely cross, but here's the thing, they have the app, we all have the app, and although we can't be 100% sure, I'm guessing good old bluetooth penetrated our dividing wall resulting in 10 days of "house arrest" for us too.
That can be the only reason that the three of us all had come into "close contact" with a positive testing person at the same time.

 

[Cooperman]

Slightly changing the subject, myself my wife and son have just completed 10 days of self isolation after being pinged by the track and trace app, the wife has been shielding from the off, my son is working from home, so only myself working as per, so, how can all three of us have been in close contact with someone who had tested positive for coronavirus you might ask?...

The answer, our next door neighbours, both came down with C19 unfortunately, and although they are great neighbours to have our paths rarely cross, but here's the thing, they have the app, we all have the app, and although we can't be 100% sure, I'm guessing good old bluetooth penetrated our dividing wall resulting in 10 days of "house arrest" for us too.
That can be the only reason that the three of us all had come into "close contact" with a positive testing person at the same time.

That sounds very much the case. What was the time lag between the first ping in your house and the third one? I assume it was very short.

 

[Darran]

https://twitter.com/harryhpalmer/status/1370094053245747205?s=21

 

[Swanjaxs]

Slightly changing the subject, myself my wife and son have just completed 10 days of self isolation after being pinged by the track and trace app, the wife has been shielding from the off, my son is working from home, so only myself working as per, so, how can all three of us have been in close contact with someone who had tested positive for coronavirus you might ask?...

The answer, our next door neighbours, both came down with C19 unfortunately, and although they are great neighbours to have our paths rarely cross, but here's the thing, they have the app, we all have the app, and although we can't be 100% sure, I'm guessing good old bluetooth penetrated our dividing wall resulting in 10 days of "house arrest" for us too.
That can be the only reason that the three of us all had come into "close contact" with a positive testing person at the same time.

That sounds very much the case. What was the time lag between the first ping in your house and the third one? I assume it was very short.

All three in less than an hour mate, it absolutely must have been down to the neighbours, the fact that my wife is shielding narrows it down to virtually 0.00001 to being anyone else.

I Personally think, although millions have been wasted the app has its uses, but people need to realise, if your running the app, and have virtually no contact with your next door neighbours, if you share a semi detached or in a row, you run a higher risk of being told to isolate.

 

[DJack]

That sounds very much the case. What was the time lag between the first ping in your house and the third one? I assume it was very short.

All three in less than an hour mate, it absolutely must have been down to the neighbours, the fact that my wife is shielding narrows it down to virtually 0.00001 to being anyone else.

I Personally think, although millions have been wasted the app has its uses, but people need to realise, if your running the app, and have virtually no contact with your next door neighbours, if you share a semi detached or in a row, you run a higher risk of being told to isolate.

And you and thelady next door are sticking to that statement. :twisted:

 

[Swanjaxs]

All three in less than an hour mate, it absolutely must have been down to the neighbours, the fact that my wife is shielding narrows it down to virtually 0.00001 to being anyone else.

I Personally think, although millions have been wasted the app has its uses, but people need to realise, if your running the app, and have virtually no contact with your next door neighbours, if you share a semi detached or in a row, you run a higher risk of being told to isolate.

And you and thelady next door are sticking to that statement. :twisted: