The boss speaks

[monmouth]

Never mind it is supposedly better then the boring Cooper ball

Bloody hell you’re like a dog with a bone. :lol:

He doesn’t understand the difference between aspiring to be better and settling for dreadful mediocrity. If he was a dog he’d be one of those boring mofos forever chasing its tail.

 

[Jinxy]

It's a test for Martin for sure. No pre season - Winter has to accept responsibility for this - if Martin had been 1st choice (arguably) then he'd have had time to prepare the squad, new faces, out with surplus to his requirements etc. and implement.

Playing out from the back causes a high press in response, which Stoke did with aplomb. One way around that is for the midfielders, wing backs etc to show/move towards the defenders to give a 2nd option. That's been missing as they were either static, or actually dropping into defensive position to help out and collect the ball (removing themselves as the option!).

The players need to understand and buy into this and have faith in the process. Pre season Martin would have clocked any fitness issues and prepared. Now, he'll have to try and raise it amongst intense fixture congestion. Who'd be a head coach eh - Aaaaaaaarrrgggh!

Interestingly, the poll on the other thread, as of this morning, shows 77% of voters are prepared to accept mid/low table finish (I am), so IF that's a reflection of the fan base (again, arguable!), then fans should largely be patient. I'd didn't feel like that on Tuesday night though - the fickle fan strikes again eh.

As I say, tough gig for him. Good luck Mr M.

 

[Vetchonian]

Bloody hell you’re like a dog with a bone. :lol:

He doesn’t understand the difference between aspiring to be better and settling for dreadful mediocrity. If he was a dog he’d be one of those boring mofos forever chasing its tail.

I do but can you honestly say what we are curretntly witnessing is better? Or indicates we will be better? Better than what?
You are very loose with true facts like you have posted elsewhere baout Potter not playing Dan James until January yet Dan James was playing from September..
It is the perpetual myths that get me going...I wouldnt settle for dreadful mediocrity, we all ahve our opinions mine is Cooper did what he did to get the best out of the squad of players to get results to achieve the goal he had been given by his employers ie get us back to the PL. HE produced a game which won quite a lot of many games it also lost some it should never have. I post highlights which demonstrate the team passing the ball around the back line then passing it forwards on the floor and some good attacking moves yet you still persisit that the football was dull......again we are all entitiled to our opinions....Cooper has gone now but will this new manager receive the same critiscim for being arrogant and not switching plan /tactics despite them not working?
For what ever reason maybe due to his roots Cooper was not favoured by many on here....for me I felt he did a good jpb with the resources at his disposal...many said Cooper could not play the football some craved and look forward to Martin playing due to the quality in our squad but this was rubbished yet our new manager is already saying the squad needs an overhaul as we have "square pegs in round holes" to quote him before we can play that way.......you know what they say about bad workmen and tools! But for me the jury is still out but like all managers before him despite my opinions on their capabilities etc he will get my support and criticism too

 

[ARQS]

I do but can you honestly say what we are curretntly witnessing is better? Or indicates we will be better? Better than what?
You are very loose with true facts like you have posted elsewhere baout Potter not playing Dan James until January yet Dan James was playing from September..
It is the perpetual myths that get me going...I wouldnt settle for dreadful mediocrity, we all ahve our opinions mine is Cooper did what he did to get the best out of the squad of players to get results to achieve the goal he had been given by his employers ie get us back to the PL. HE produced a game which won quite a lot of many games it also lost some it should never have. I post highlights which demonstrate the team passing the ball around the back line then passing it forwards on the floor and some good attacking moves yet you still persisit that the football was dull......again we are all entitiled to our opinions....Cooper has gone now but will this new manager receive the same critiscim for being arrogant and not switching plan /tactics despite them not working?
For what ever reason maybe due to his roots Cooper was not favoured by many on here....for me I felt he did a good jpb with the resources at his disposal...many said Cooper could not play the football some craved and look forward to Martin playing due to the quality in our squad but this was rubbished yet our new manager is already saying the squad needs an overhaul as we have "square pegs in round holes" to quote him before we can play that way.......you know what they say about bad workmen and tools! But for me the jury is still out but like all managers before him despite my opinions on their capabilities etc he will get my support and criticism too

Of course what we are witnessing isn't any better but why would you expect it to be? He's been here 18 days in which time we've played 4 games. How much time has he had working with them?

It doesn't need to come down to Cooper v Martin because you would assume that Cooper was charged with getting us back up, by hook or by crook, whilst we still had the parachute money/Ayew, etc. Cooper did what he had to do and finished about where he should have done, given the squad he had. He didn't fail but he didn't perform miracles, either.

However, we are now at a stage where the money has gone down again, we have lost one of the most influential players in the division in Ayew and we need to think about where we go from here. Clearly they have decided that they want to go back to what made us successful which is to play nice, attractive, attacking football and create a bit of a niche for ourselves. Unfortunately, due to years of constantly trying to stay up/get back up by any means necessary, we don't have the players who can fit into that style.

I think it's unfair to say that he is a bad workman blaming his tools because if, for instance, you want to play with high wing backs, essentially playing as wingers, there isn't one sensible Swans fan who would say that Bidwell/Lati could ever fulfil that role adequately, no matter what how much they were conditioned or coached. Not one of the current squad would get close to the side that came up under Martinez or got promoted under Brendan.

Playing attractive football isn't just about entertaining the fans, it's about us having an identity and a uniform way of playing so we can be successful. The alternative is just being a run of the mill team/club, chasing after the same players as everyone else but being unable to compete financially.

I think you probably need to get over your obsession with Cooper. Showing a few videos where we played some forward passes isn't proof that the football under him was as dull as ditch water. However, discussing whether he was simply doing the best he could with limited players/resources under a mandate to just get promoted may be a point worth discussing. Pretending his football was entertaining/exciting/different is laughable

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

You’ve just hit my major annoyance so far smack on the snout. The only option considered is back, especially my mr you know who. I so want to be supportive and patient but the involuntary ‘ffs go forward’ has escaped my lips quite a lot for three games.

It has the potential to make my head explode.

Never mind it is supposedly better then the boring Cooper ball

Seriously you need help with your Cooper heartbreak... Go and get some councilling because he ain't coming back.

 

[Risc]

You’ve just hit my major annoyance so far smack on the snout. The only option considered is back, especially my mr you know who. I so want to be supportive and patient but the involuntary ‘ffs go forward’ has escaped my lips quite a lot for three games.

It has the potential to make my head explode.

Never mind it is supposedly better then the boring Cooper ball

Have you stopped crying since we paid Cooper off?

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

He doesn’t understand the difference between aspiring to be better and settling for dreadful mediocrity. If he was a dog he’d be one of those boring mofos forever chasing its tail.

I do but can you honestly say what we are curretntly witnessing is better? Or indicates we will be better? Better than what?
You are very loose with true facts like you have posted elsewhere baout Potter not playing Dan James until January yet Dan James was playing from September..
It is the perpetual myths that get me going...I wouldnt settle for dreadful mediocrity, we all ahve our opinions mine is Cooper did what he did to get the best out of the squad of players to get results to achieve the goal he had been given by his employers ie get us back to the PL. HE produced a game which won quite a lot of many games it also lost some it should never have. I post highlights which demonstrate the team passing the ball around the back line then passing it forwards on the floor and some good attacking moves yet you still persisit that the football was dull......again we are all entitiled to our opinions....Cooper has gone now but will this new manager receive the same critiscim for being arrogant and not switching plan /tactics despite them not working?
For what ever reason maybe due to his roots Cooper was not favoured by many on here....for me I felt he did a good jpb with the resources at his disposal...many said Cooper could not play the football some craved and look forward to Martin playing due to the quality in our squad but this was rubbished yet our new manager is already saying the squad needs an overhaul as we have "square pegs in round holes" to quote him before we can play that way.......you know what they say about bad workmen and tools! But for me the jury is still out but like all managers before him despite my opinions on their capabilities etc he will get my support and criticism too

Here's a fact for ya vetch... Cooper didn't have the balls for another season and left so you can moan all you like about Martin but he's here because your idol didn't want to be here any more.

 

[mrploppy]

Never mind it is supposedly better then the boring Cooper ball

Have you stopped crying since we paid Cooper off?

It's the first stage. Six more to go before we get to Acceptance and Hope.

 

[Jinxy]

I do but can you honestly say what we are curretntly witnessing is better? Or indicates we will be better? Better than what?
You are very loose with true facts like you have posted elsewhere baout Potter not playing Dan James until January yet Dan James was playing from September..
It is the perpetual myths that get me going...I wouldnt settle for dreadful mediocrity, we all ahve our opinions mine is Cooper did what he did to get the best out of the squad of players to get results to achieve the goal he had been given by his employers ie get us back to the PL. HE produced a game which won quite a lot of many games it also lost some it should never have. I post highlights which demonstrate the team passing the ball around the back line then passing it forwards on the floor and some good attacking moves yet you still persisit that the football was dull......again we are all entitiled to our opinions....Cooper has gone now but will this new manager receive the same critiscim for being arrogant and not switching plan /tactics despite them not working?
For what ever reason maybe due to his roots Cooper was not favoured by many on here....for me I felt he did a good jpb with the resources at his disposal...many said Cooper could not play the football some craved and look forward to Martin playing due to the quality in our squad but this was rubbished yet our new manager is already saying the squad needs an overhaul as we have "square pegs in round holes" to quote him before we can play that way.......you know what they say about bad workmen and tools! But for me the jury is still out but like all managers before him despite my opinions on their capabilities etc he will get my support and criticism too

Of course what we are witnessing isn't any better but why would you expect it to be? He's been here 18 days in which time we've played 4 games. How much time has he had working with them?

It doesn't need to come down to Cooper v Martin because you would assume that Cooper was charged with getting us back up, by hook or by crook, whilst we still had the parachute money/Ayew, etc. Cooper did what he had to do and finished about where he should have done, given the squad he had. He didn't fail but he didn't perform miracles, either.

However, we are now at a stage where the money has gone down again, we have lost one of the most influential players in the division in Ayew and we need to think about where we go from here. Clearly they have decided that they want to go back to what made us successful which is to play nice, attractive, attacking football and create a bit of a niche for ourselves. Unfortunately, due to years of constantly trying to stay up/get back up by any means necessary, we don't have the players who can fit into that style.

I think it's unfair to say that he is a bad workman blaming his tools because if, for instance, you want to play with high wing backs, essentially playing as wingers, there isn't one sensible Swans fan who would say that Bidwell/Lati could ever fulfil that role adequately, no matter what how much they were conditioned or coached. Not one of the current squad would get close to the side that came up under Martinez or got promoted under Brendan.

Playing attractive football isn't just about entertaining the fans, it's about us having an identity and a uniform way of playing so we can be successful. The alternative is just being a run of the mill team/club, chasing after the same players as everyone else but being unable to compete financially.

I think you probably need to get over your obsession with Cooper. Showing a few videos where we played some forward passes isn't proof that the football under him was as dull as ditch water. However, discussing whether he was simply doing the best he could with limited players/resources under a mandate to just get promoted may be a point worth discussing. Pretending his football was entertaining/exciting/different is laughable

This with bells, teachers, jamesons etc. on. Excellent post. Now let's move on, support our new boss and give him the opportunity, time and patience to return us to the style, and yes entertainment that most of us have craved.

 

[guthrieintherain]

The fact is Cooper quit bottled it after losing a 20 million pound centre half and s striker who carried him through 2 seasons.
Only problem was he was on about 4 million quid a year.

So Cooper has gone walked quit he has moved on perhaps it's time you did the same.

 

[Vetchonian]

The fact is Cooper quit bottled it after losing a 20 million pound centre half and s striker who carried him through 2 seasons.
Only problem was he was on about 4 million quid a year.

So Cooper has gone walked quit he has moved on perhaps it's time you did the same.

I will answer all the responses to my earlier post here

I have no Cooper obsession my obseesion is with facts and I struggle with the myths perpetuated that under Cooper we played hoofball its not true....we certainly werent a Martinez side but we played to uor strengths and I repeat with 30%less possesion than Tuesday against Stoke last season we had more shots on goal scored 2 goals and Stoke score zero goals with 20% more possesion than they had on Tuesday

Think about this if Cooper had bottled it and quit and walked why did the club feel the need to pay him off. IF Cooper didnt fancy it as Ayew had gone and Guehi a player who many slated in his first few months by the way and had a mistake in him...when we played Stoke up there Geuhi passed the ball to a Stoke player which gifted them their goal....Had Cooper walked into Winter had said Ivre had enough im off the all Winter had to say was ok steve theres the door goodbye and the club had no need to pay him up in fact i would guess the Yanks would have sued him for breach of contract as Americans love a good law suit! But strangely there was a mutaul agrrement and a settlement . There is more to this than we will ever know it certainly want Cooper bottling it.....he could have stayed if things had gone belly up so easy for him to say I lost key players ( Ayew,Geuhi) and the club didnt replace it it all went tits up he would be sacked and paid up any way and he would have a reason to expalin things to potenetial employers but its ok we all have opinions you carry on believing he had lost his bottle....but ask yoursleves why if Cooper was walking away did the club pay him up and why did his legal team leak he was leaving?

My view is the relationship broke down the club wantede to keep him he had brought good loans to the club, he had got us to the playoffs twice,I reckon the clubs insitience in a high compensation payment in discusions with Palace and Fulham lost him the chance of a move plus he was dissapointed the club failed to support with that elusive striker that even our new manager talks about but gaver him teo crocked American players who had hardly played in 12 months. But you carr y on thinking he bottled it...if he had and quit the club was under no obligation to negotitate a settlement!!!!

Cooper has gone I have no Cooper obsession my obseesion is SCFC and facts Cooper is just another in the line of 39 managers ( thats individuals it dsoent count people who did the job on more than occasion like Tosh who had two stints or Curt who has sat in a few times)
I keep posting certain things as the myths that perpetuate wit out substance wind me up....I can back up muy arguements

I could bore you all but think about this ....Martin has already said he only has a plan A so all the seasoned managerds in the Chaampionship already know how he will set up and play just imagine Warnock!...Cooper was much criticised for not changing things so will Martin getr the same stick? We now all know he has no plan B and so when it is going wrong and he gets found out waht then?

In the meanwhile Martin is now our manager he will get my support but also criticism!!

 

[scorcher]

In the play off semifinal ,Coopers tactics were spot on.We did not play it out from the back once.Beating Barnsley in the first leg and nullifying their high Press .Notice the managers new club West Brom smashed Sheffield united Last night.It will be interesting to see when we play them because we will certainly be playing it out from the back.I just think you need more than one plan in this very competitive division.
When we played Cardiff away and won ,it was more of playing it out from the back.We totally dominated Bristol city at home and lost .
I Look forward to see what happens tomorrow.

 

[Jackmanandboy]

They were a division above us.

No they weren't, they were dreadful...we were just far worse.

In a different league of dreadful.

 

[killayjack74]

It's all very well and good having most of the possession in games but we need to play on the front foot, move the ball far quicker and actually not try to score that perfect goal like Barcelona. Going backwards to maintain possession is fine but not when there are other options further up field. All this slow Cooper esq style just gives the opposition time to reset and defend our attack. Quick counter attack after we lose the ball and hey presto 1 down. Gonna be a long season ️

 

[Baron Goblet]

We need to play between the lines until we get a centre half like Morrison who can command a game properly. B Cooper is a good technical player and very competitive but he won't be in the team long if he keeps playing 50/50 balls to Grimes and Benda in the final third. Manning is running around waiting to be picked off or give away a free kick. The challenge is the opposition know exactly whet we are trying to do and are resting up while we knock it about. Technically we need all the team to be on Ethan Laird's level and above. Ayew and Naughton were good at dwelling on the ball, creating space in tight corners and delaying the pass. Roberts improved. Bennett is a good stopper and we need him back for Bristol where we should give them a hard, tough game, away game, with Bennett, Cabango and Cooper at the back to find Grimes and Downes when they are actually free and not tracked. That one move has to stop - we will concede a goal or two most games if that continues.