The Exaltation of Russell Martin

[Swanjaxs]

You can blame Martin for the way we set up, no plan B or whatever you like, but you can't make allowance for players failing to do the basics or only putting half a shift in.

the manager is still culpable for the players performance he obviously isn't drilling the basics enough in training and not motivating them properly on match say so they put in a full shift

Tend to agree, but no excuse for professional footballers not to put a shift in, not all but some, Luton, Huddersfield and again today just to name a few.
Just to add balance Martin is far from blameless, the buck stops with him.

 

[Darran]

Am I the only one that didn’t get it?
The minute he came through the door he was immediately raised to a level that for a man that had done virtually nothing in the game managerial wise was bizarre.
I thought it was weird then and even weirder now.
We had a thread on here last September where people were saying they could see what he was trying to do and I was like what is he trying to do?
It was boring as f*ck,still is and not much different to last season under Cooper.
Don’t get me wrong I’m more than happy to let him have next summer and a pre-season but what am I missing?
We are going into February this coming week and surely he should have put some kind of stamp on the team by now because if everyone is bluntly honest this is bollox.

Like I said in January.
There seems to be a very unhealthy respect from too many of our fans to Martin.
I haven’t changed my mind and he starts next season as our manger though if it carries on the same way he’ll be gone by October.
Strangely beating Cardiff and doing the double will make it a historic season but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s been a poor below average season whatever happens in our remaining games and as he’s seen as this new age modern fangled forward thinking coach/manager he should be far better than this considering the time and amount of players he’s been allowed to bring in.

 

[3swan]

I think it's all been about hope. On paper 2 successful seasons, but uninspiring football, so we were looking for a change.

The words have never matched what we've seen on the pitch. Initially the reasons given could be understood, but as the season went on those reasons have become excuses.

Whilst not a promotion pushing team of players we should easily be more comfortable in the table if we played to strengths.

 

[STID2017]

Am I the only one that didn’t get it?
The minute he came through the door he was immediately raised to a level that for a man that had done virtually nothing in the game managerial wise was bizarre.
I thought it was weird then and even weirder now.
We had a thread on here last September where people were saying they could see what he was trying to do and I was like what is he trying to do?
It was boring as f*ck,still is and not much different to last season under Cooper.
Don’t get me wrong I’m more than happy to let him have next summer and a pre-season but what am I missing?
We are going into February this coming week and surely he should have put some kind of stamp on the team by now because if everyone is bluntly honest this is bollox.

Like I said in January.
There seems to be a very unhealthy respect from too many of our fans to Martin.
I haven’t changed my mind and he starts next season as our manger though if it carries on the same way he’ll be gone by October.
Strangely beating Cardiff and doing the double will make it a historic season but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s been a poor below average season whatever happens in our remaining games and as he’s seen as this new age modern fangled forward thinking coach/manager he should be far better than this considering the time and amount of players he’s been allowed to bring in.

I know I will get pelters for this Darran, but could not care if we win at Cardiff ( and TBH cannot see us winning ),Martin is out of his depth.
I have been glass half full, supporting him and the process all the way, but to follow up yesterday's long trip, only to read his diatribe about how we dominated the game, led me to the conclusion that he needs to go.
At least then we would have plenty of time to get a new manager ( and even a few games to bed him in)

 

[3swan]

Like I said in January.
There seems to be a very unhealthy respect from too many of our fans to Martin.
I haven’t changed my mind and he starts next season as our manger though if it carries on the same way he’ll be gone by October.
Strangely beating Cardiff and doing the double will make it a historic season but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s been a poor below average season whatever happens in our remaining games and as he’s seen as this new age modern fangled forward thinking coach/manager he should be far better than this considering the time and amount of players he’s been allowed to bring in.

I know I will get pelters for this Darran, but could not care if we win at Cardiff ( and TBH cannot see us winning ),Martin is out of his depth.
I have been glass half full, supporting him and the process all the way, but to follow up yesterday's long trip, only to read his diatribe about how we dominated the game, led me to the conclusion that he needs to go.
At least then we would have plenty of time to get a new manager ( and even a few games to bed him in)

From the Blackpool Gazette

The game slowly but surely had the life sucked out of it by the visitors.


Now that was a comment from one game. Multiply that 35X and it's no wonder we feel how we do.

 

[STID2017]

I know I will get pelters for this Darran, but could not care if we win at Cardiff ( and TBH cannot see us winning ),Martin is out of his depth.
I have been glass half full, supporting him and the process all the way, but to follow up yesterday's long trip, only to read his diatribe about how we dominated the game, led me to the conclusion that he needs to go.
At least then we would have plenty of time to get a new manager ( and even a few games to bed him in)

From the Blackpool Gazette

The game slowly but surely had the life sucked out of it by the visitors.


Now that was a comment from one game. Multiply that 35X and it's no wonder we feel how we do.

I know.
It is feeling like that with every inept performance.
Although to be fair there have been chunks of light.
Just not enough to justify continuing the transition and process

 

[3swan]

From the Blackpool Gazette

The game slowly but surely had the life sucked out of it by the visitors.


Now that was a comment from one game. Multiply that 35X and it's no wonder we feel how we do.

I know.
It is feeling like that with every inept performance.
Although to be fair there have been chunks of light.
Just not enough to justify continuing the transition and process

There has been chinks, but even in some of the highlights we have given teams opportunities. There are very few players on the championship clinical to take them.

Each game is becoming more and more depressing, especially as we could be seeing better performances and not so much self inflicted defeats.

 

[Uxy]

Last season I upset a few xG wonks when I mentioned it's not exactly flawless. The same people went all-in on Martin when he was appointed and double down at every opportunity. Probably doesn't do him any favours with everyone else.

The thing I can't get past is that I think we're playing exactly how he wants us to play. He wants it to be slow, seemingly smother the opposition and assume somebody will come up with something to surprise the oppo.

 

[Ronald Parp]

Am I the only one that didn’t get it?
The minute he came through the door he was immediately raised to a level that for a man that had done virtually nothing in the game managerial wise was bizarre.
I thought it was weird then and even weirder now.
We had a thread on here last September where people were saying they could see what he was trying to do and I was like what is he trying to do?
It was boring as f*ck,still is and not much different to last season under Cooper.
Don’t get me wrong I’m more than happy to let him have next summer and a pre-season but what am I missing?
We are going into February this coming week and surely he should have put some kind of stamp on the team by now because if everyone is bluntly honest this is bollox.

I remeber you saying that but I remember walking away from a couple of early season games thinking that what I was seeing on the pitch had signs of promise, I didn’t see the negativity of Cooperlball. It’s going that way now though. We have no runners, not one single one. No Dyer, no Roultledge, no Jeff, oh for a Johnny Hodge……. I really want him to succeed because I want to see pretty attacking football but my biggest concern is that with every transfer we appear to be down grading the quality of the playing staff - it’s like we’re looking down not up. Having said all that I’d like to see him given this season and next, that would be fair and a good indicator of whether he’s got it or not.

 

[STID2017]

Last season I upset a few xG wonks when I mentioned it's not exactly flawless. The same people went all-in on Martin when he was appointed and double down at every opportunity. Probably doesn't do him any favours with everyone else.

The thing I can't get past is that I think we're playing exactly how he wants us to play. He wants it to be slow, seemingly smother the opposition and assume somebody will come up with something to surprise the oppo.

Being glass half full I always get behind the manager and team unless proved that they are not worth it.
Wembley for Cooper for me last season.
Yesterday for me with Martin.
35 games is enough time to get the process working and give us a platform to build on for next season, but it isn't happening.
Time to say goodbye to Martin

 

[JackSomething]

Last season I upset a few xG wonks when I mentioned it's not exactly flawless. The same people went all-in on Martin when he was appointed and double down at every opportunity. Probably doesn't do him any favours with everyone else.

The thing I can't get past is that I think we're playing exactly how he wants us to play. He wants it to be slow, seemingly smother the opposition and assume somebody will come up with something to surprise the oppo.

Being glass half full I always get behind the manager and team unless proved that they are not worth it.
Wembley for Cooper for me last season.
Yesterday for me with Martin.
35 games is enough time to get the process working and give us a platform to build on for next season, but it isn't happening.
Time to say goodbye to Martin

Which is the way most reasonable fans tend to be. We all want to the team to be successful, so we get excited by early positive signs and maybe take a bit too long to change our minds. A bit like most fans were prepared to put up with the mind-numbing Cooperball if it got us promoted, but the majority gave up on it after 2 seasons and no promotion, although some still worship at that altar for some reason.

Making an early negative judgement and sticking to that no matter what is something some fans like to do for some reason. Even if they're proved wrong most of the time, they live for when they're proven right. Given there's a well known ex-Planet Swans poster who follows that MO, I'm surprised Darran is emulating him... :lol:

 

[Darran]

I think it's all been about hope. On paper 2 successful seasons, but uninspiring football, so we were looking for a change.

The words have never matched what we've seen on the pitch. Initially the reasons given could be understood, but as the season went on those reasons have become excuses.

Whilst not a promotion pushing team of players we should easily be more comfortable in the table if we played to strengths.

It’s seemed more than that.
As I’ve said Martin was raised to level I couldn’t understand as soon as he walked in the door after nothing but two mediocre seasons in League 1 with MK Dons

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

The reason I think that he's been raised up so highly is he's a really really good salesman... Says all the right things to keep you coming back and believing but that only goes so far and the tide is turning now to the opposite where its getting on people's tits. For a while now I've had the impression from him that he's not actually taking the job very seriously, comes across as quite narsassistic. I know it's not going to work for the following simple reasons... 1. He's not going to change the system. 2. To make the system work requires investment that simply will not appear at this club under the current owners. My prediction is that he will be here next season a season in which we will really struggle and then they will get rid of him.