"Unhelpful" - Andy Coleman speaks out on Luke Williams speculation as Swans show united front

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"Unhelpful" - Andy Coleman speaks out on Luke Williams speculation as Swans show united front

It must have been quite a tiring and testing week for Swans Chairman Andy Coleman. Not only will he have been frustrated by the 4-0 defeat at Portsmouth he

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[LaJollaJack]

'we are at a stage where this relationship will continue undamaged into the remainder of the season.'

It is irrevocably damaged.

'We have won our last two home games in exciting fashion, and today’s match is another opportunity to showcase our ambition and determination as we continue our journey through the second half of the season.”

The effective management team quorum masterminded those masterpieces of effective, efficient, entertaining, winning football, NOT Williams and his selfish self indulgent CV-embellishing cunning.

Our owners can clearly see we have all the tools and that fraud Williams is the glaring limiting factor, just like his menacing mentor was and still is.

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[Swansea93]

'we are at a stage where this relationship will continue undamaged into the remainder of the season.'

It is irrevocably damaged.

'We have won our last two home games in exciting fashion, and today’s match is another opportunity to showcase our ambition and determination as we continue our journey through the second half of the season.”

The effective management team quorum masterminded those masterpieces of effective, efficient, entertaining, winning football, NOT Williams and his selfish self indulgent CV-embellishing cunning.

Our owners can clearly see we have all the tools and that fraud Williams is the glaring limiting factor, just like his menacing mentor was and still is.

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If they think Williams is a fraud why are they keeping him employed?

 

[LaJollaJack]

I'm not saying they think he's a fraud. I'm saying they can clearly see is the glaring limiting factor.
Timing, is everything. Just like with Martin.

 

[Vetchonian]

Well written piece Phil without being negative still about the situation.
It's time everyone united and got behind the club ,manager and players.
Coleman has underwritten Lukes commitment whilst Luke has given the board an out by stating if he is not delivering the goods he knows he will be gone....my paraphrase of his actual words.

This week's drama caused by a misrepresentation of Luke by Gareth Vincent has been.music to the ears of those fans who dislike Luke because he isn't Martin and those because he was associated with Martin.
Tomorrow's selection dilemma as a result of Cabangos injury highlights the constraints Luke has been working with with a squad lacking in depth of quality.

It seems for the moment Luke is here to stay so let's get behind him and the team tomorrow

 

[Smurph]

Well written piece Phil without being negative still about the situation.
It's time everyone united and got behind the club ,manager and players.
Coleman has underwritten Lukes commitment whilst Luke has given the board an out by stating if he is not delivering the goods he knows he will be gone....my paraphrase of his actual words.

This week's drama caused by a misrepresentation of Luke by Gareth Vincent has been.music to the ears of those fans who dislike Luke because he isn't Martin and those because he was associated with Martin.
Tomorrow's selection dilemma as a result of Cabangos injury highlights the constraints Luke has been working with with a squad lacking in depth of quality.

It seems for the moment Luke is here to stay so let's get behind him and the team tomorrow

Not sure it the association with Martin, it's the inconsistent results and boring football that do it for me.

 

[LaJollaJack]

Well written piece Phil without being negative still about the situation.
It's time everyone united and got behind the club ,manager and players.
Coleman has underwritten Lukes commitment whilst Luke has given the board an out by stating if he is not delivering the goods he knows he will be gone....my paraphrase of his actual words.

This week's drama caused by a misrepresentation of Luke by Gareth Vincent has been.music to the ears of those fans who dislike Luke because he isn't Martin and those because he was associated with Martin.
Tomorrow's selection dilemma as a result of Cabangos injury highlights the constraints Luke has been working with with a squad lacking in depth of quality.

It seems for the moment Luke is here to stay so let's get behind him and the team tomorrow

Vetch, you're diluting your offering nowadays - say what you really think, mun.

As a proper football man - can you not see that Williams is doing a Martin and hoodwinking many of the more challenged Martin-type fanboys ?

His only focus right now is himself and his Stats-centric CV.

His selections, set-up, in -game stuff is all about his one goal of > possession stats by congesting the fat middle :
- Inverted FBs - to congest the middle
- our CDM squeezed into deepest of deep pivots - to congest the middle
- wideboys cutting back, cutting in - to congest the middle
- our #9 dropping deep to collect the ball - to congest the middle

It is beyond self indulgent and the fella needs to be called out, and outed just like his failed fraud mentor

 

[Ringwood]

For me...even after the pre match vid, I'm not convinced he didn't know what's been going in the media and also if his agent was tapping up WBA to get LW in the frame he wasn't aware.

The point is, Initially he never came out with the statement he did today over the past week to clarify and distance himself from the link.

He's either extremely naive or covering his tracks.

Either way, I will back him to hopefully get us a top half finish.

 

[LaJollaJack]

For me...even after the pre match vid, I'm not convinced he didn't know what's been going in the media and also if his agent was tapping up WBA to get LW in the frame he wasn't aware.

The point is, Initially he never came out with the statement he did today over the past week to clarify and distance himself from the link.

He's either extremely naive or covering his tracks.

Either way, I will back him to hopefully get us a top half finish.

Can you not see what his cunning plan is, though ? Seriously......

 

[Ringwood]

Can you not see what his cunning plan is, though ? Seriously......

My view is if he was offered the job at West Brom he would have taken it.

Whether any of this interaction with WBA actually took place we will never know

My thoughts are WBA are looking to not pay compo for their new gaffer..

 

[LaJollaJack]

My view is if he was offered the job at West Brom he would have taken it.

Whether any of this interaction with WBA actually took place we will never know

My thoughts are WBA are looking to not pay compo for their new gaffer..

I mean: his cunning plan is to lavish his CV, at all costs. (See above post re possession stats maximization)

It's a Martinism which many fans failed to see.

And there's no way on earth this fraud will do another Martin, of that we can be most certain.

 

[bytholwyn]

Vetch, you're diluting your offering nowadays - say what you really think, mun.

As a proper football man - can you not see that Williams is doing a Martin and hoodwinking many of the more challenged Martin-type fanboys ?

His only focus right now is himself and his Stats-centric CV.

His selections, set-up, in -game stuff is all about his one goal of > possession stats by congesting the fat middle :
- Inverted FBs - to congest the middle
- our CDM squeezed into deepest of deep pivots - to congest the middle
- wideboys cutting back, cutting in - to congest the middle
- our #9 dropping deep to collect the ball - to congest the middle

It is beyond self indulgent and the fella needs to be called out, and outed just like his failed fraud mentor

I get it you don't like Williams, which is your perogative, but your arguments are 100% factually incorrect.

If Williams was obsessed with stat padding as you claim how do you square that with the fact that our 1022 completed long balls are the most in the league? Even though only 52.8% of our long passes are accurate.

The truth is the polar opposite. Under Williams everything goes down the flanks, which is illustrated by the fact that we're 6th for final third touches but only 16th for touches in the opposition penalty area. We get the ball out wide but not enough where the damage is done.

The problem with Williams is that for far too long he's vacated the middle of the park, forcing low completion longer passes from Vigouroux, the CBs and Grimes. The key difference in the QPR and Luton games is that finally we had two passing options (mainly Tymon and Key) in front of the back 3, enabling us to build through the thirds. Finally, we had the opposition guessing how we were going to build out, short or long, and got the final third dominance that has been sadly lacking too often this season.

Against Portsmouth we regressed to the long ball crap and players well in advance of the CBs. This played a massive role in the opening goal, with Tymon, Naughton and Fulton all inside the opposition half when Cullen was dispossessed. From that point on the goal was inevitable, which should never be the case if you lose the ball on half way on the touchline.

There's plenty to criticise about Williams, but comparisons to Martin are lazy and ignorant. If Williams wants sustained success he needs to clearly understand that establishing control has to involve the short sided triangles, through the thirds a lot of the time. I'm not convinced he gets that.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

There's plenty to criticise about Williams, but comparisons to Martin are lazy and ignorant.

Spot on.

By all means hammer him for being mediocre if you like.

But at least recognise his flavour of mediocrity is in a different postcode to Martin.

 

[legoman]

There's an awful lot of technical analysis on this thread, but has nobody considered that in fact Williams is just not very good, and the players, who are in his company more than anyone on this forum, realised that early on?

 

[LaJollaJack]

I get it you don't like Williams, which is your perogative, but your arguments are 100% factually incorrect.

If Williams was obsessed with stat padding as you claim how do you square that with the fact that our 1022 completed long balls are the most in the league? Even though only 52.8% of our long passes are accurate.

The truth is the polar opposite. Under Williams everything goes down the flanks, which is illustrated by the fact that we're 6th for final third touches but only 16th for touches in the opposition penalty area. We get the ball out wide but not enough where the damage is done.

The problem with Williams is that for far too long he's vacated the middle of the park, forcing low completion longer passes from Vigouroux, the CBs and Grimes. The key difference in the QPR and Luton games is that finally we had two passing options (mainly Tymon and Key) in front of the back 3, enabling us to build through the thirds. Finally, we had the opposition guessing how we were going to build out, short or long, and got the final third dominance that has been sadly lacking too often this season.

Against Portsmouth we regressed to the long ball crap and players well in advance of the CBs. This played a massive role in the opening goal, with Tymon, Naughton and Fulton all inside the opposition half when Cullen was dispossessed. From that point on the goal was inevitable, which should never be the case if you lose the ball on half way on the touchline.

There's plenty to criticise about Williams, but comparisons to Martin are lazy and ignorant. If Williams wants sustained success he needs to clearly understand that establishing control has to involve the short sided triangles, through the thirds a lot of the time. I'm not convinced he gets that.

Decent post, fair play, mate But you're missing the point, right now.

Your stats and (most especially) your Eyeballs need to hone in on precisely how Williams has regressed us most recently. Can you not see how his penchant is to congest the middle, at all costs ? He flattered to deceive us with expansive wideplay from the outset. Even I was convinced he was the 'real deal'. Instead he's just another Martin type fraud. A fraud who was sacked for good reason last time he was here.

The QPR game was down to our players playing to the captain's instruction, not overly congesting the middle, giving him the space and vision to exploit, and not exposing our tucked-in FBs to the counter.

He clearly isn't the real deal and the calamitous regression in our play of late - is all to boost HIS possession stats is the salient thing right now. Nothing else matters.

As a club on the up, we deserve far far better.