Vipotnik Goals

[Flash]

I keep seeing the same complaints that too many of our goals are coming from Vipotnik. He has scored 16 of our 39 goals which is 41%. I checked a few other top scorers in other leagues to see if that was high or not. Looking at Haaland he’s scored 39% of City’s goals. Kane has scored 32.9% of Bayerns goals and Mbappe has scores 43% of Reals goals.

I’m not going to go and check every league, but it’s clear that our goal situation is not a unique one. And it makes sense that the highest scorers in the leagues will have a higher percentage of goals for their team. Yes it’s a worry if he gets injured or the goals dry up but that is a worry for every club who has a good striker.

 

[cmajack]

I keep seeing the same complaints that too many of our goals are coming from Vipotnik. He has scored 16 of our 39 goals which is 41%. I checked a few other top scorers in other leagues to see if that was high or not. Looking at Haaland he’s scored 39% of City’s goals. Kane has scored 32.9% of Bayerns goals and Mbappe has scores 43% of Reals goals.

I’m not going to go and check every league, but it’s clear that our goal situation is not a unique one. And it makes sense that the highest scorers in the leagues will have a higher percentage of goals for their team. Yes it’s a worry if he gets injured or the goals dry up but that is a worry for every club who has a good striker.

Well he's in good company with those that you have mentioned. On a serious note, there are not enough goals being scored by other players in the team, particularly our wingers and midfield players. Our chance creation is also poor, we get in some terrific positions in games, particularly with our widemen, and yet most of the time the final ball is abysmal.

 

[bakajack]

Well he's in good company with those that you have mentioned. On a serious note, there are not enough goals being scored by other players in the team, particularly our wingers and midfield players. Our chance creation is also poor, we get in some terrific positions in games, particularly with our widemen, and yet most of the time the final ball is abysmal.

The number of times we beat a press, move it out quickly to the wide men and then they stop letting every opposing player get back into position rather than using the momentum to drive past the full back and get into the box for either a shooting opportunity or a cut back to the penalty spot is criminal.

Eom does it occasionally but Ronald is especially prone to it.

 

[cmajack]

The number of times we beat a press, move it out quickly to the wide men and then they stop letting every opposing player get back into possession rather than using the momentum to drive past the full back and get into the box for either a shooting opportunity or a cut back to the penalty spot is criminal.

Eom does it occasionally but Ronald is especially prone to it.

Can't disagree with any of that, and our final ball to someone when they do get free in space is woeful.

 

[malc]

I keep seeing the same complaints that too many of our goals are coming from Vipotnik. He has scored 16 of our 39 goals which is 41%. I checked a few other top scorers in other leagues to see if that was high or not. Looking at Haaland he’s scored 39% of City’s goals. Kane has scored 32.9% of Bayerns goals and Mbappe has scores 43% of Reals goals.

I’m not going to go and check every league, but it’s clear that our goal situation is not a unique one. And it makes sense that the highest scorers in the leagues will have a higher percentage of goals for their team. Yes it’s a worry if he gets injured or the goals dry up but that is a worry for every club who has a good striker.

The point myself and other posters are making Vp has done brilliantly to score so many goals , there should be more contributions from elsewhere.

Coventry top three scores have 13, 10 ,10 .
Wrexham 11 & 9
Derby 10 & 10 .
Ipswich 12, 9. 9 .
Hull 12 & 11 .

When you have 2 or 3 players who can hurt you it's more difficult to keep.them quiet than
1.

 

[eteb]

I keep seeing the same complaints that too many of our goals are coming from Vipotnik. He has scored 16 of our 39 goals which is 41%. I checked a few other top scorers in other leagues to see if that was high or not. Looking at Haaland he’s scored 39% of City’s goals. Kane has scored 32.9% of Bayerns goals and Mbappe has scores 43% of Reals goals.

I’m not going to go and check every league, but it’s clear that our goal situation is not a unique one. And it makes sense that the highest scorers in the leagues will have a higher percentage of goals for their team. Yes it’s a worry if he gets injured or the goals dry up but that is a worry for every club who has a good striker.

I've never understood the whole "x club would be fucked if they lost their striker" rhetoric

You can say that about every club and their top scorer in every league that's ever existed ffs

 

[Flash]

The point myself and other posters are making Vp has done brilliantly to score so many goals , there should be more contributions from elsewhere.

Coventry top three scores have 13, 10 ,10 .
Wrexham 11 & 9
Derby 10 & 10 .
Ipswich 12, 9. 9 .
Hull 12 & 11 .

When you have 2 or 3 players who can hurt you it's more difficult to keep.them quiet than
1.

Yeah but those numbers show that it's not odd to have the top scorer in the league scoring a high percentage of their teams goals. Nearly 60% of our other goals have come from other players. If you look at the goals from when Matos took over Vips contribution's are less at 37.5% of the goals.

I just don't think it's as big an issue as people are making it out to be. We should be celebrating we have the best striker in the league instead of moaning that the other players aren't doing enough. You don't know he instructions those other players have been given, they could be looking to get the ball to Vip as much as possible rather than going for goals themselves. And if they were scoring more then it's likely Vipotnik wouldn't be scoring as much because he would have less chances.

And you're last point every team will be concentrating on covering the striker. And even when they do they're doing a terrible job of keeping Vipotnik quiet.

 

[JackSomething]

I keep seeing the same complaints that too many of our goals are coming from Vipotnik. He has scored 16 of our 39 goals which is 41%. I checked a few other top scorers in other leagues to see if that was high or not. Looking at Haaland he’s scored 39% of City’s goals. Kane has scored 32.9% of Bayerns goals and Mbappe has scores 43% of Reals goals.

I’m not going to go and check every league, but it’s clear that our goal situation is not a unique one. And it makes sense that the highest scorers in the leagues will have a higher percentage of goals for their team. Yes it’s a worry if he gets injured or the goals dry up but that is a worry for every club who has a good striker.

Man City have scored 56 goals, Haaland has scored 22 of them - 34 goals from other players.
Bayern have scored 64, Kane has 28 of them - 36 goals from other players.
Real Madrid have scored 54, Mbappe has 23 of them - 31 goals from other players.

We've scored 39 goals, Vipotnik has 16 of them - 23 goals from other players.

So while I don't see anyone complaining that Vip is scoring too many goals, we could definitely do with more from elsewhere. If we had another 8 goals from other players over the season (to match the lowest amount quoted above), we'd probably be in the playoff places right now. I think we'd all welcome that next season.

 

[Dr. Winston]

I don't think we've really got the AM role right for much of the season. Widell looks the most comfortable in there at the moment and results when he plays tend to bear that out, but too often we've not really had the right fit. That position is critical to the way we want to play IMO, whether it's feeding through balls for Vipi or the wide players to get onto, or scoring a few goals themselves.

We tend to ask our wide players to play in a very one dimensional way. Pick up the ball fairly deep, and then run with it. Now and again you'll get a good overlap from Tymon, but teams know what we're going to do for the most part, and few of them are quick enough to get around the outside.

Ronald is solid defensively but flatters to deceive going forward. I like Eom but am convinced that he'd be more effective inside instead of on the wing. Nunes really should be starting games from here on in.

 

[Flash]

Man City have scored 56 goals, Haaland has scored 22 of them - 34 goals from other players.
Bayern have scored 64, Kane has 28 of them - 36 goals from other players.
Real Madrid have scored 54, Mbappe has 23 of them - 31 goals from other players.

We've scored 39 goals, Vipotnik has 16 of them - 23 goals from other players.

So while I don't see anyone complaining that Vip is scoring too many goals, we could definitely do with more from elsewhere. If we had another 8 goals from other players over the season (to match the lowest amount quoted above), we'd probably be in the playoff places right now. I think we'd all welcome that next season.

True we do have less goals than all of them. And that is a symptom of having half the season under Sheehan where our xg and goals were really low.

Under Matos our xg and goals scored per game are close to 1.5 which would put us closer to 50 goals rather than 39 we have. Had played that way all season.

And if you look at the form table for the past 10 games we’re 7th in the amount of goals scored and joint 4th for GD.

It would be great to have even more goals of course. And the bad start makes it seem like things are still bad now. But we have improved the goal situation massively compared to where we were.

 

[JackSomething]

True we do have less goals than all of them. And that is a symptom of having half the season under Sheehan where our xg and goals were really low.

Under Matos our xg and goals scored per game are close to 1.5 which would put us closer to 50 goals rather than 39 we have. Had played that way all season.

And if you look at the form table for the past 10 games we’re 7th in the amount of goals scored and joint 4th for GD.

It would be great to have even more goals of course. And the bad start makes it seem like things are still bad now. But we have improved the goal situation massively compared to where we were.

All fair points, not going to argue with any of that. If we continue like we have under Matos (and Walta adds goals as he gets up to speed), this hopefully won't even be a discussion point in the coming months.