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[exiledclaseboy]

You’re only saying because you’ve been radicalised. lol

And unwittingly, because you have very few wits anyway, you’ve just beautifully illustrated my point so thanks.

 

[Darran]

And unwittingly, because you have very few wits anyway, you’ve just beautifully illustrated my point so thanks.

I wasn’t talking to you.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I wasn’t talking to you.

Course not.

 

[Neath_Jack]

And unwittingly, because you have very few wits anyway, you’ve just beautifully illustrated my point so thanks.

The thing with quite a few of them is that they aren’t necessarily racist, but are very gullible.

They’ll believe anything they see posted on socials, then rush to post it themselves without giving it a second thought of whether it blatant lies or twisted truths.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

The thing with quite a few of them is that they aren’t necessarily racist, but are very gullible.

They’ll believe anything they see posted on socials, then rush to post it themselves without giving it a second thought of whether it blatant lies or twisted truths.

Which was more or less the point I was trying to make but you made it far better. And they don’t realise it he damage it’s doing.

 

[Cooperman]

You’re only saying because you’ve been radicalised. lol

Far from it, more of a growing sense of frustration at how consecutive governments have failed to get this under control. The current opposition do nothing to ease this frustration by shouting ‘fail’ about a subject at which they failed themselves. The longer this goes on, the more the country becomes divided. Sad to see, and yes, dark days ahead.

 

[Darran]

Far from it, more of a growing sense of frustration at how consecutive governments have failed to get this under control. The current opposition do nothing to ease this frustration by shouting ‘fail’ about a subject at which they failed themselves. The longer this goes on, the more the country becomes divided. Sad to see, and yes, dark days ahead.

Great post my friend.

 

[rockinj]

The problem with the migrant boat thing is that there’s truths right across the spectrum

Yes even the far feckin right

This is an issue. A big issue and it needs a resolution. I don’t think anyone doubts this bar the biggest pinko (you’re probably talking less than a few percent here)

I do find it a very depressing topic. The way that normal functioning decent people are increasingly being radicalised by people with vested interests in division is so sad. And they just will never see it.

The problem that I foresee is that Starmer/Cooper will sort this in collaboration with our EU partners (yes collaboration…) and boats in a few years will be next to zero. Mark my words.

The issue then fundamentally is that the right will move again. They will need to keep the immigration game in play. So that leaves room towards more extremes and let’s be honest it’s in the end a trope for we want to go back to white Britain (whenever that was..)

But yes. 100% it needs sorting and 100% it needs gripping.

Funnily enough boats didn’t exist before Brexit and funnily enough we had a completely different immigrant demographic.

What this again shows is rhetoric trumps reality. Good sensible leadership is required which I think Starmer is showing.

But my fear is that it’ll never be enough. Too many are radicalised now and we’re fecked for a long time.

 

[Cooperman]

The problem with the migrant boat thing is that there’s truths right across the spectrum

Yes even the far feckin right

This is an issue. A big issue and it needs a resolution. I don’t think anyone doubts this bar the biggest pinko (you’re probably talking less than a few percent here)

I do find it a very depressing topic. The way that normal functioning decent people are increasingly being radicalised by people with vested interests in division is so sad. And they just will never see it.

The problem that I foresee is that Starmer/Cooper will sort this in collaboration with our EU partners (yes collaboration…) and boats in a few years will be next to zero. Mark my words.

The issue then fundamentally is that the right will move again. They will need to keep the immigration game in play. So that leaves room towards more extremes and let’s be honest it’s in the end a trope for we want to go back to white Britain (whenever that was..)

But yes. 100% it needs sorting and 100% it needs gripping.

Funnily enough boats didn’t exist before Brexit and funnily enough we had a completely different immigrant demographic.

What this again shows is rhetoric trumps reality. Good sensible leadership is required which I think Starmer is showing.

But my fear is that it’ll never be enough. Too many are radicalised now and we’re fecked for a long time.

The far right will always cling on to the belief that towns like Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale are full of people who shouldn’t be here, failing to understand the point that the inhabitants are second, third, fourth generation born in Britain.

 

[rockinj]

The far right will always cling on to the belief that towns like Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale are full of people who shouldn’t be here, failing to understand the point that the inhabitants are second, third, fourth generation born in Britain.

The leaders know this that’s what I meant when I talked about tropes. It’s nudge nudge wink wink politics.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

The problem with the migrant boat thing is that there’s truths right across the spectrum

Yes even the far feckin right

This is an issue. A big issue and it needs a resolution. I don’t think anyone doubts this bar the biggest pinko (you’re probably talking less than a few percent here)

I do find it a very depressing topic. The way that normal functioning decent people are increasingly being radicalised by people with vested interests in division is so sad. And they just will never see it.

The problem that I foresee is that Starmer/Cooper will sort this in collaboration with our EU partners (yes collaboration…) and boats in a few years will be next to zero. Mark my words.

The issue then fundamentally is that the right will move again. They will need to keep the immigration game in play. So that leaves room towards more extremes and let’s be honest it’s in the end a trope for we want to go back to white Britain (whenever that was..)

But yes. 100% it needs sorting and 100% it needs gripping.

Funnily enough boats didn’t exist before Brexit and funnily enough we had a completely different immigrant demographic.

What this again shows is rhetoric trumps reality. Good sensible leadership is required which I think Starmer is showing.

But my fear is that it’ll never be enough. Too many are radicalised now and we’re fecked for a long time.

Excellent post. As I said, there are dark and dangerous times ahead. Everyone should be careful with the language and rhetoric they use and share.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I said a few years back on here that there is a significant political element that has no interest in stopping the boats. And that includes the party that formed the government for 15 years up until last year. Reform, Robinson, their supporters and cheerleaders don’t want them stopped. Not really. They see it as their path to power. And as RJ has so eloquently put it above, when the problem is resolved they’ll have to harden their language further. It won’t be immigration then, it will be straight up race baiting. And still the apologists will find a way to support it.

 

[rockinj]

I said a few years back on here that there is a significant political element that has no interest in stopping the boats. And that includes the party that formed the government for 15 years up until last year. Reform, Robinson, their supporters and cheerleaders don’t want them stopped. Not really. They see it as their path to power. And as RJ has so eloquently put it above, when the problem is resolved they’ll have to harden their language further. It won’t be immigration then, it will be straight up race baiting. And still the apologists will find a way to support it.

Great post.

You can see the dangers of this mentality already.

A prime example is the Afghans. How could any decent civilised person with any integrity not welcome people who have literally helped our “boys” in a war.

If you are indeed a patriot you should campaigning to help these people to resettle in the UK. They have earned the right.

If you think “feck em they’re brown” (come on have a word with that voice in your head) then you are a racist.

Sadly that last paragraph is where we are as of today.

There’ll always been a percentage of population who blame everything on immigration but historically that is relatively small.

There will never be an answer good enough now for many.

 

[MrSwerve]

It’s not racist to be concerned about immigration
It’s not racist to think that the small boats are an issue that needs resolving.

The problem is, that is very much the first stance that many people take when against people who are concerned about immigration.

The thing with quite a few of them is that they aren’t necessarily racist, but are very gullible.

They’ll believe anything they see posted on socials, then rush to post it themselves without giving it a second thought of whether it blatant lies or twisted truths.

The same can be said about all political sides. There are gullible people across the spectrum.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

The problem is, that is very much the first stance that many people take when against people who are concerned about immigration.

That’s at least in part because many people are unable to separate legitimate concerns about immigration from being massive racists and couching it in those terms.