Charlie Kirk

[Smurph]

Let me tell you a story. I worked with someone called James. 3 years ago we were informed the they were called Jaimie. Every time I saw them my first instinct was to say "Hello James". I managed to say the right thing each time until I learned to just say hello. What I didnt like was the inference that if I called him James I was being hateful rather thasn forgetful. I have been moved right not by my actions but by every one elses. Thats th eonly point I was making withj that picture. Iregretted posting it immediately but went to work and couldnt take it down.In summary, I havent changed but my place in the world has.

The world hasn't changed in that respect. It's not hard to call someone by their preferred name.

 

[Swanjaxs]

And that's up to you to use those words, I just think it brings heat into these debates (word used loosely) that is unnecessary, which reflects what is happening in the world quite well.

Also please don't say that I am being dishonest, just because I don't think that every single view of his opinions are/were warranted. I disagree with a lot of what he says, probably more what I agreed with him on - and this is coming from someone who has watched his debates for, I dunno, at least 7 or 8 years...you admitted yourself that you'd never heard of him and I'm sure there are plenty of people jumping on the bandwagon to be critical of him that have never watched any of his debates before (and very likely vice-versa, in fairness). Some of his most notorious right-wing views are a handful amongst plenty of other sensible (IMO) views that he had. This was part of his modus operandi, he was someone who also wanted to stoke things for views as well as put his point across, which I have always been critical of him for. It doesn't help the political heat either.

Some of his views were abhorrent, some of them were sensible, I don't see why we can't have a debate about both sides of the coin. I watched his debates and found it interesting to hear why he had certain views, despite being vehemently against them. I like to understand why people come to certain conclusions rather than just deriding them for it. Some people have a mixture of left and right wing views and that is absolutely fine, but people on either ends of the political spectrum are very quick to zone in on the elements that they disagree with and use that to label them. I am simply not like that and I abhor the way political discourse is in the modern world, particularly with social media and the internet - and Charlie Kirk also fed into that. Some would say in a positive way (i.e. I've seen a lot of people saying he brought political debate to young people), some would say in a negative way (i.e. people saying his views were racist, sexist and homophobic). Both can be true if we look at it objectively.

If somebody, anybody, has abhorrent views, that makes them a cunt in my book, all his/hers valid views then become irrelevant. Just my opinion.

 

[Smurph]

If somebody, anybody, has abhorrent views, that makes them a cunt in my book, all his valid views then become irrelevant. Just my opinion.

Amen, Brother

 

[Captain_Sham]

The world hasn't changed in that respect. It's not hard to call someone by their preferred name.

Its isnt for you. It was for me. It wasnt hate, it was habit.

 

[Smurph]

Its isnt for you. It was for me.

So the issue is with you and not the world.

Imagine getting irritated because someone wants you to refer to them by another name of their choosing.

 

[Captain_Sham]

So the issue is with you and not the world.

Imagine getting irritated because someone wants you to refer to them by another name of their choosing.

Where did I say I was irriated. I was saying its ridiculous to call it a hatecrime. I notice yo ualso deleted the context of my post also and just quoted the first part.

 

[Smurph]

Where did I say I was irriated. I was saying its ridiculous to call it a hatecrime.

Obvsuouly some underlying issue there. Why not just adhere to what is a simple request.

 

[Captain_Sham]

Obvsuouly some underlying issue there. Why not just adhere to what is a simple request.

You have never forgotten someones name?I shouldnt be deemed hateful for it. I forget lots of things at my age. Id forgotten what a div you were. Back on ignore.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Some of his views were abhorrent, some of them were sensible, I don't see why we can't have a debate about both sides of the coin.

The question to ask there is, why would anyone waste their time?

By all accounts, Hitler had a soft spot for dogs. Loved them, apparently. Loved having them around, loved making a fuss of them. Big old softy on that front.

So, that being the other side of the coin, should we have made more of an effort to try and understand him and paint more of a rounder picture? Personally, I think not. I'd suggest on balance, he was definitely still a cunt and I'm comfortable history still has that one right.

What do you reckon?

 

[Smurph]

You have never forgottem someones name? I forget lots of things at my age. I shouldnt be deemed hateful for it. Id forgotten what a div you were. Back on ignore.

Can't say I have for someone I see on a daily, weekly basis.

I suspect there is more to being simply forgetful.

 

[Wing_Stand_Wood]

Suspect caught, I do wonder who grassed him up?

 

[TheLoneRanger]

It looks like the suspect's father turned him in to the police - and talked him into giving himself up.

 

[Pompeyjack]

I’m afraid we’re fucked. The polarisation of politics here and, particularly, in the USA has meant that a political war is being waged and as we know, the first casualty of war is the truth.
If a Democrat wins the 2028 election will it be accepted as a fair result? Will the 2028 election be fairly administered? Is the US a democracy any more?
Do the airlines practice affirmative action? If they do has it resulted in air travel becoming less safe? It’s ludicrous to suggest that it has but the seeds of doubt are constantly being planted by Kirk and others and people buy it.
Are black women too stupid to hold any responsible position in society? Kirk thought so and many of the younger electorate bought it.
There was a time when a politician would think very carefully before telling a blatant lie publicly, not any more. When presented with researched truth the answer is “fake news”.
We’re fucked.

Search Fiona wild Charlie kirk comment. Unfortunately vile things are said on both sides

 

[Swanjaxs]

The "shooter" is a "person of faith" by all accounts. Who'd have thought, aye...

 

[Smurph]

Suspect caught, I do wonder who grassed him up?

Or did the right thing......