Charlie Patino

[DuffleCoat]

Great, glad we're in agreement. Loans are important for a club like us and comparing any of our summer loans to Borini is a unsuitable comparison. It would probably have been easier just to admit it in the first place.

I think all loans are comparable as the sentiment is the same. Whether you do it pre season or in Jan.

No two situations will be exactly the same of course, but comparisons of loans can absolutely be made.

 

[JackSomething]

I think all loans are comparable as the sentiment is the same. Whether you do it pre season or in Jan.

No two situations will be exactly the same of course, but comparisons of loans can absolutely be made.

Ashby/Rushworth available for potentially 46 league games, plus an unknown number of cup games and potentially 3 playoff matches.

Borini (loaned in March, not January) was available for 9 games, plus 3 playoff games.

Ashby and Rushworth arrived when we hadn't kicked a ball in the Championship, Borini arrived when we were in second place having played 37 games and won 63 points. Borini was clearly seen as potentially being the difference between automatic promotions and playoffs, or at very least giving us a major boost in the playoffs. We have no idea how our season is going to go in August so the reasons for the loans are completely different.

Only someone pathologically averse to admitting they're wrong would deny that Borini was a poor comparison to make, especially when there are so many more pertinent examples to call on.

Knowing how this will go, I will leave you to make yet another rebuttal that does nothing to change the fact you made a mistake and in your eyes, 'win' the argument, as outlasting people has always been your primary method of debate.

 

[DuffleCoat]

Ashby/Rushworth available for potentially 46 league games, plus an unknown number of cup games and potentially 3 playoff matches.

Borini (loaned in March, not January) was available for 9 games, plus 3 playoff games.

Ashby and Rushworth arrived when we hadn't kicked a ball in the Championship, Borini arrived when we were in second place having played 37 games and won 63 points. Borini was clearly seen as potentially being the difference between automatic promotions and playoffs, or at very least giving us a major boost in the playoffs. We have no idea how our season is going to go in August so the reasons for the loans are completely different.

Only someone pathologically averse to admitting they're wrong would deny that Borini was a poor comparison to make, especially when there are so many more pertinent examples to call on.

Knowing how this will go, I will leave you to make yet another rebuttal that does nothing to change the fact you made a mistake and in your eyes, 'win' the argument, as outlasting people has always been your primary method of debate.

I have no idea what point you are making? They are both loans.

If they are available for 46 or 12 (not 9) makes no difference to the sentiment. They are borrowed players that are of vital importance to a club like us.

I’d you don’t understand that then I can’t help you, it seems you are determined to argue based on how many games one played compared to the other.

I asked you if we should only loan in Jan as a result and you appeared to say no… so what point you are making heaven only knows.

You can do the same with permanent transfers too (this guy was a Jan signing, this guy had a 3 year contract, this guy had a 2 year contract etc) - but a permanent signing is a permanent signing.

A loan is a loan.

 

[Risc]

We slagged the club off for not backing Russ in jan, I was one of them certainly, and I’m pretty sure most on here were the same, and now we have people complaining about getting what looks like high class loans in.

There’s more investment coming in which will make us more financially stable, we’ve signed strong players on permanents at top end of pitch with more hopefully to come at the back and in positions we’ve been weak for years in, piroe may be signing new contract which will protect our prized asset for another year while hopefully having an assault on the play offs.

As it stands we are in great shape and have been backed big time by the new men running the show. If we can’t be happy with that then I’m not sure what will ever be enough for us.

 

[Longlostjack]

We slagged the club off for not backing Russ in jan, I was one of them certainly, and I’m pretty sure most on here were the same, and now we have people complaining about getting what looks like high class loans in.

There’s more investment coming in which will make us more financially stable, we’ve signed strong players on permanents at top end of pitch with more hopefully to come at the back and in positions we’ve been weak for years in, piroe may be signing new contract which will protect our prized asset for another year while hopefully having an assault on the play offs.

As it stands we are in great shape and have been backed big time by the new men running the show. If we can’t be happy with that then I’m not sure what will ever be enough for us.

Good post. Can’t complaint so far. Our scouting seems to have improved beyond all recognition.

 

[jasper_T]

We slagged the club off for not backing Russ in jan, I was one of them certainly, and I’m pretty sure most on here were the same, and now we have people complaining about getting what looks like high class loans in.

There’s more investment coming in which will make us more financially stable, we’ve signed strong players on permanents at top end of pitch with more hopefully to come at the back and in positions we’ve been weak for years in, piroe may be signing new contract which will protect our prized asset for another year while hopefully having an assault on the play offs.

As it stands we are in great shape and have been backed big time by the new men running the show. If we can’t be happy with that then I’m not sure what will ever be enough for us.

One-off equity investments aren't going to make us more stable beyond the immediate term. Costs still outweigh income by an outrageous, unsustainable degree. Plenty of midtable clubs playing the "backed big time" game in this division lose £30m+ over 12 months.

 

[Itchysphincter]

We slagged the club off for not backing Russ in jan, I was one of them certainly, and I’m pretty sure most on here were the same, and now we have people complaining about getting what looks like high class loans in.

There’s more investment coming in which will make us more financially stable, we’ve signed strong players on permanents at top end of pitch with more hopefully to come at the back and in positions we’ve been weak for years in, piroe may be signing new contract which will protect our prized asset for another year while hopefully having an assault on the play offs.

As it stands we are in great shape and have been backed big time by the new men running the show. If we can’t be happy with that then I’m not sure what will ever be enough for us.

I didn’t slag the club off for not supporting Russ, in fact I’m on record as fully endorsing the decision not to give him another penny to waste. Couple that with them knowing he was going to be gone in the summer then it all makes perfect sense, if you let it.

On your other point, yes, I’ve noticed a bit of grumbling about the loans. Now I’m not a fan of the long term loan system in general but it is where we’re at if we’re looking to up the bar quality wise, albeit short term and a punt, but I believe we’re actually having a crack at it this year so I’ll go with it.

 

[DuffleCoat]

We slagged the club off for not backing Russ in jan, I was one of them certainly, and I’m pretty sure most on here were the same, and now we have people complaining about getting what looks like high class loans in.

There’s more investment coming in which will make us more financially stable, we’ve signed strong players on permanents at top end of pitch with more hopefully to come at the back and in positions we’ve been weak for years in, piroe may be signing new contract which will protect our prized asset for another year while hopefully having an assault on the play offs.

As it stands we are in great shape and have been backed big time by the new men running the show. If we can’t be happy with that then I’m not sure what will ever be enough for us.

Great post, this is what I was trying to convey.

It’s not like we are relying on loans, these are supplementing big signings like Key, Kukharevich and Yates.

It’s like some would prefer loans for filler squad roles but not if they can really improve the first team, it baffles me.

We had 10 (ish) outgoing players last season, to expect quality permanent signings to replace them all isn’t realistic, or in my view desirable.

Having a mix including £10m+ valued players in loan is a fantastic strategy.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Patino looks a good player, happy he's coming in, well done club.

 

[Jdflyer]

As it stands we are in great shape and have been backed big time by the new men running the show. If we can’t be happy with that then I’m not sure what will ever be enough for us.

What a difference 2 months makes... Don't think anyone could have reasonably projected this.

 

[bakajack]

Official now. And registered in time to make the squad for tomorrow.
I hope though that after his positive performances against Birmingham and Northampton that Oli gets the nod to start behind Yates and Piroe with Patino to come off the bench.

 

[Whaleoilbeefhooked]

When you consider the loans we had with Mr “We dominated possession “ these ones are different class
If you include the permanents as well, then Paul Watson maybe our best signing of the season.
All of a sudden, I’m feeling a lot more confident in my bet of 9/1 for promotion

 

[Pontyjack]

Official now. And registered in time to make the squad for tomorrow.
I hope though that after his positive performances against Birmingham and Northampton that Oli gets the nod to start behind Yates and Piroe with Patino to come off the bench.

Oli didn’t play in the Birmingham match - Pato was picked instead.

 

[bakajack]

Oli didn’t play in the Birmingham match - Pato was picked instead.

Ah my bad it was Cullen that came on for Pato after 70 minutes not Oli.

 

[K23]

Official now. And registered in time to make the squad for tomorrow.
I hope though that after his positive performances against Birmingham and Northampton that Oli gets the nod to start behind Yates and Piroe with Patino to come off the bench.

I would pick Oli instead of Paterson and Patino instead of Fulton.