Rachel Reeves

[Andrew - North Hill]

They've manufactured so many traps for themselves and then thrown themselves into them.

With news breaking this morning that they're bottling going through with the mooted income tax hike, it's very hard to argue with that.

 

[3swan]

It would be nice to see someone lead with a lot of confidence, Starmer is as about inspiring as a weekend in Grimsby in January.

Come on now, what has Grimsby ever done to you to be that comparison.

 

[monmouth]

With news breaking this morning that they're bottling going through with the mooted income tax hike, it's very hard to argue with that.

I thought this can't be true...

It's a bloody shambles. Now talking about playing with (lowering) the bands - so raising income tax but not the rates!!. The whole sodding government is cooked. A total cluster**k.

 

[Smurph]

Come on now, what has Grimsby ever done to you to be that comparison.

That's fair enough, it doesn't deserve to be compared to that wet lettuce.

 

[monmouth]

It would be nice to see someone lead with a lot of confidence, Starmer is as about inspiring as a weekend in Grimsby in January.

I couldn't care about that. Johnson had confidence, the lying snivelling cowardly c**t.

Some leadership and direction, belief and courage ia what I'd like.

 

[Smurph]

I thought this can't be true...

It's a bloody shambles. Now talking about playing with (lowering) the bands - so raising income tax but not the rates!!. The whole sodding government is cooked. A total cluster**k.

I can just imagine someone asking Starmers kids what they Dad does for a living.

"He's a store manager for Tesco in Knightsbridge".

 

[3swan]

That's fair enough, it doesn't deserve to be compared to that wet lettuce.

I thought the lettuce was a previous P.M.

 

[Smurph]

I thought the lettuce was a previous P.M.

Hard to tell the difference these days. It seems Boris was correct when he called Sir Kier, Captain Hindsight.

 

[3swan]

Hard to tell the difference these days. It seems Boris was correct when he called Sir Kier, Captain Hindsight.

"Hard to tell the difference these day"

As inept as each other.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

I thought this can't be true...

It's a bloody shambles. Now talking about playing with (lowering) the bands - so raising income tax but not the rates!!. The whole sodding government is cooked. A total cluster**k.

Agree, but it does all start to make sense, once you alter your thinking to regard Labour as just another party of the Right.

Once you view it through that lens, nothing surprises you.

This isn't a Labour party, as intended and as it was invented for. It's just a brand that's been hijacked by people for their own ends.

 

[monmouth]

I don't know, things are happening that wouldn't happen under the Tories or the Nazis. Waiting lists are coming down, but nobody knows it, and then they then wreck the message by shooting themselves in the foot when Streeting was meant to show it, and had to spend the time on internal party crap.

I wrote this on another site and, whatever the holes in the logic or detail, this is my overwhelming gut feeling:

I'd like them to ignore all the noise, all the cowardice, raise an absolute shedload from income tax and wherever else and say "yeah we broke a promise with hindsight we shouldn't have made, but we are going to do what we can in 3 years to put this country right and make things better. We have a majority and a mandate for change which has to be funded, which will make everyone's lives better, and this is what we'll do". Stop talking about 'fiscal rules', 'Black holes' and all other bullshit, and go shit or bust for 3 years. They're not getting a second term with 'ming f*****g vase'. Oh, and sack McSweeney and any other attendant arsehole in 'number 10' while you're at it.

Basically say, we'll do our best and then if you decide you want a pound shop Trump, after seeing actual Trump, Brexshit, Kent and elsewhere, well, that's your prerogative.

Instead of saying you'll come out fighting, actually come out fighting.

 

[3swan]

I don't know, things are happening that wouldn't happen under the Tories or the Nazis. Waiting lists are coming down, but nobody knows it, and then they then wreck the message by shooting themselves in the foot when Streeting was meant to show it, and had to spend the time on internal party crap.

I wrote this on another site and, whatever the holes in the logic or detail, this is my overwhelming gut feeling:

I'd like them to ignore all the noise, all the cowardice, raise an absolute shedload from income tax and wherever else and say "yeah we broke a promise with hindsight we shouldn't have made, but we are going to do what we can in 3 years to put this country right and make things better. We have a majority and a mandate for change which has to be funded, which will make everyone's lives better, and this is what we'll do". Stop talking about 'fiscal rules', 'Black holes' and all other bullshit, and go shit or bust for 3 years. They're not getting a second term with 'ming f*****g vase'. Oh, and sack McSweeney and any other attendant arsehole in 'number 10' while you're at it.

Basically say, we'll do our best and then if you decide you want a pound shop Trump, after seeing actual Trump, Brexshit, Kent and elsewhere, well, that's your prerogative.

Instead of saying you'll come out fighting, actually come out fighting.

Not a dig at you, as I think you've posted before a family member works in the NHS?

I would like to see a breakdown of figures that show that waiting lists are coming down.

Maybe they are for certain conditions, but how many are down due to people going private, just giving up or regretfully dying.

I know of 5 people who are on waiting lists but as yet have not been given any dates.

 

[3swan]

I don't know, things are happening that wouldn't happen under the Tories or the Nazis. Waiting lists are coming down, but nobody knows it, and then they then wreck the message by shooting themselves in the foot when Streeting was meant to show it, and had to spend the time on internal party crap.

I wrote this on another site and, whatever the holes in the logic or detail, this is my overwhelming gut feeling:

I'd like them to ignore all the noise, all the cowardice, raise an absolute shedload from income tax and wherever else and say "yeah we broke a promise with hindsight we shouldn't have made, but we are going to do what we can in 3 years to put this country right and make things better. We have a majority and a mandate for change which has to be funded, which will make everyone's lives better, and this is what we'll do". Stop talking about 'fiscal rules', 'Black holes' and all other bullshit, and go shit or bust for 3 years. They're not getting a second term with 'ming f*****g vase'. Oh, and sack McSweeney and any other attendant arsehole in 'number 10' while you're at it.

Basically say, we'll do our best and then if you decide you want a pound shop Trump, after seeing actual Trump, Brexshit, Kent and elsewhere, well, that's your prerogative.

Instead of saying you'll come out fighting, actually come out fighting.

Your second point

I agree with

Whether I agree with policies, if they believe them to be the right way to go, then do it, they are in Government and should "Go for it"

 

[monmouth]

Not a dig at you, as I think you've posted before a family member works in the NHS?

I would like to see a breakdown of figures that show that waiting lists are coming down.

Maybe they are for certain conditions, but how many are down due to people going private, just giving up or regretfully dying.

I know of 5 people who are on waiting lists but as yet have not been given any dates.

Oh I agree they are still wholly unacceptable, but no longer, apparently, heading north as they would have under the Fash. I'd like to see some analysis too, but my point was really they need to market themselves so much better. Not a political bone in Starmer's body or his children henchmen.

On the waiting lists, my wife was told to see a knee consultant she'd have to wait 72 weeks to just see a consultant and then 2 years after that for an op. So, of course we went private and saw the consultant in 2 weeks. It's privatisation in all but name, and that's where 14 years of scum tories got us while inequality rocketed and they creamed off all the...cream.

Of course Fartage wants to privatise on the American model. That'll help.

The worst thing is, going private doesn't reduce waiting time as it's the same consultants/surgeons. So there's not even any halo effect. It puts someone one nearer but there are no extra slots available. The supply side is going to be a real problem, even if you could manage the demand side somehow, and if you could manage the supply side, the demand side would be a real problem. My wife's surgery can't get doctors.

We need a proper cross party conversation about the NHS and the options, but we're not going to get it.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

I don't know, things are happening that wouldn't happen under the Tories or the Nazis. Waiting lists are coming down, but nobody knows it, and then they then wreck the message by shooting themselves in the foot when Streeting was meant to show it, and had to spend the time on internal party crap.

I wrote this on another site and, whatever the holes in the logic or detail, this is my overwhelming gut feeling:

I'd like them to ignore all the noise, all the cowardice, raise an absolute shedload from income tax and wherever else and say "yeah we broke a promise with hindsight we shouldn't have made, but we are going to do what we can in 3 years to put this country right and make things better. We have a majority and a mandate for change which has to be funded, which will make everyone's lives better, and this is what we'll do". Stop talking about 'fiscal rules', 'Black holes' and all other bullshit, and go shit or bust for 3 years. They're not getting a second term with 'ming f*****g vase'. Oh, and sack McSweeney and any other attendant arsehole in 'number 10' while you're at it.

Basically say, we'll do our best and then if you decide you want a pound shop Trump, after seeing actual Trump, Brexshit, Kent and elsewhere, well, that's your prerogative.

Instead of saying you'll come out fighting, actually come out fighting.

I agree with you, but they won't ignore the noise because they are a continuity government of the Right. Their whole MO is to try and keep things more or less exactly as they are, bar a few little bits of tinkering around the edges, so they keep big business and billionaires happy. Then they are banking on stuff like slightly smaller waiting lists/slightly better trains/slightly better public services etc being noticed by just enough people by 2029.

(An approach which, as we can see from the polls, is almost certainly destined to fail dismally).

From their point of view, if it somehow works, great. If not, then bye bye, resign, and do the after dinner circuit like Johnson, or set up a little think-tank like Blair did, to put pressure on the party to stay to the Right.