From Liberty to Injustice; the solution to the Championship’s referee woes?

[Andrew - North Hill]

The technology works, it's the idiots using it which are the problem.

I agree to an extent, but there are some scenarios where decisions are still going to be subjective, whether that's the ref making them on the field, or the VAR making them from a booth miles away.

In those instances, I just don't see the point to VAR at all. The ref's made a call that he sees as 51-49. One week the VAR may agree with the ref, the next week they might say no, I think it's 49-51. What's the bloody point? Just get on with it, and go with the ref's decision instead of wasting 5-10 mins wasting everyone's time. And it happens loads.

Nope, it's just goalline tech and semi automated offsides for me. We don't need the rest of it.

 

[LeonWasTheDogs]

With the amount of cash floating around the Championship VAR has to come, like it or lump it. Its not perfect but 99% of the decisions like the disallowed goal at Brum should be sorted.

I agree that we need it, but also dread it being implemented because it sucks the joy out of the game. Were between a rock and a hard place on this.

 

[LeonWasTheDogs]

I agree to an extent, but there are some scenarios where decisions are still going to be subjective, whether that's the ref making them on the field, or the VAR making them from a booth miles away.

In those instances, I just don't see the point to VAR at all. The ref's made a call that he sees as 51-49. One week the VAR may agree with the ref, the next week they might say no, I think it's 49-51. What's the bloody point? Just get on with it, and go with the ref's decision instead of wasting 5-10 mins wasting everyone's time. And it happens loads.

Nope, it's just goalline tech and semi automated offsides for me. We don't need the rest of it.

Absolutely this. It gets the black and white decisions right, like offsides (mostly). But where the Laws of the Game are open to subjectivity, which is often, it makes little difference other than giving another opportunity to correct obvious errors. Plenty of errors are still made even with VAR.

 

[johnjubal1958]

Either that or have more referees for the referees at the games... Dishing out cards every time the ref gets a decision wrong. But then, who referees the referees referee?? More referees?

The only problem with VAR is human error - an issue we've seen a number of times in the past. No system is without its faults, but it can't be any worse than it currently is!

Automatic Offside sounds good and that technology is available like goal line technology. An additional Ref (swapping at the half way line) or linesmen more up in the final 3rd? I believe the linesman was right on this occasion, and the Sky commentary team didn't help by stating, "I looks like Birmingham got away with one there"! I'm sure their is a way around the problem and AI could give an immediate and accurate conclusions which removes human errors but also supports them! With a human in the chain it is inevitable error is going to an option to those who 'are' bias and every fan knows this is a fact of life!

 

[PenlanJack]

The current hand ball law is crap, refs make their decisions on a whim on that particular day and VAR just agrees with them, it's not definitive and needs to be cleared up

 

[CommonCents]

I hate VAR, it takes the spontaneous reactions out of football. Can never really celebrate a goal as you are always waiting for confirmation.

 

[PenlanJack]

I hate VAR, it takes the spontaneous reactions out of football. Can never really celebrate a goal as you are always waiting for confirmation.

As people in this thread have said, VAR isn't the problem, it's the people using it, foreign VAR and Rugby run smoothly, the Premier League refs earn 100k+ and international and champions league fees, foreign refs who are far superior earn less. Dropping them down a league for a weekend isn't the answer

 

[johnjubal1958]

It's evidently a serious problem with ref's now more than ever it seems! The errors appear more blaintant!? Yet the coaches can't dare comment publicly in a negative way because of the consequences the club will have to face later! They are forced to say something like, "it all balances itself out in the end"! They also say after a game, "it made the difference of success (promotion) or failure (religation) which is a contradiction to it all works out in the end! I this VP goal I would give the linesman the benefit of the doubt and he got it right. Can I be sure? No I can't because we are talking spit seconds that makes all the difference between getting it right or wrong! AI can measure everything in real time. From a deliberate handball or not for example. It can take into account the pace of the ball, the distance from the balls ititial moment (kick throw etc...) and the humans reaction time. It can register an offside far quicker than a human can. Don't get me wrong I hate the idea of a calculator dictating the out come of game. However, it's clear we haven't got a choice due to the increasing obvious errors by game officials!