Senedd Election 2026

[Cooperman]

Not that I've managed to find. The last time I looked in to it there was something like a 14billions fiscal blackhole.

I'm leaning towards independence, yet to be fully convinced until someone can provide the figures on how it can be feasibly done.

I’m also yet to find the vital statistics. There are arguments both ways, as there was with Brexit and we all know what happened there. The independence argument needs to be bullet proof from a fiscal sense.

 

[Wing_Stand_Wood]

All you're doing with your gibberish is proving why independence is the way forward for Wales.

What is so 'gibberish' about Peter Law (just as one example) standing up in the Senedd to say that money should be spent of NHS services as opposed to superfluous loss making vanity projects in Cardiff Bay?
And to think vital service in SW Wales was being ignored and people had to fundraise in North Wales for vital radiotherapy equipment.

Tell me what do you prefer? A opera house or a Linear Accelerator for cancer patients?

 

[Smurph]

I’m also yet to find the vital statistics. There are arguments both ways, as there was with Brexit and we all know what happened there. The independence argument needs to be bullet proof from a fiscal sense.

That's the issue, at the moment independence is just built on a dream, if you ask anyone how we can do it the conversation dries up.

I'm warming to the idea and would fully support it if a bullet proof blueprint on the road to independence was published.

 

[Cooperman]

That's the issue, at the moment independence is just built on a dream, if you ask anyone how we can do it the conversation dries up.

I'm warming to the idea and would fully support it if a bullet proof blueprint on the road to independence was published.

I’m right behind it, but only if the numbers add up.

Anything that gets printed on the side of a double decker bus needs clear and detailed small print to back it up.

 

[Neath_Jack]

There was a report commissioned in 2024 gents, which I’ve put on here previously. It’s not all positive as you’d expect, no country ever will be. Look at the state of the ‘fiscals’ for now, including those super humans across the bridge. Not great are they?

But tell me this, of the countries which have gained independence from the colonisers, how many of those countries have ever asked to ‘come back’?

It’s drilled into our psyche that we can’t survive without our ‘masters’. Thankfully more and more are saying fuck that.

 

[Cooperman]

There was a report commissioned in 2024 gents, which I’ve put on here previously. It’s not all positive as you’d expect, no country ever will be. Look at the state of the ‘fiscals’ for now, including those super humans across the bridge. Not great are they?

But tell me this, of the countries which have gained independence from the colonisers, how many of those countries have ever asked to ‘come back’?

It’s drilled into our psyche that we can’t survive without our ‘masters’. Thankfully more and more are saying fuck that.

Do you remember who commissioned it, I would like a read of it?

 

[J_B]

There was a report commissioned in 2024 gents, which I’ve put on here previously. It’s not all positive as you’d expect, no country ever will be. Look at the state of the ‘fiscals’ for now, including those super humans across the bridge. Not great are they?

But tell me this, of the countries which have gained independence from the colonisers, how many of those countries have ever asked to ‘come back’?

It’s drilled into our psyche that we can’t survive without our ‘masters’. Thankfully more and more are saying fuck that.

A few Americans are currently pining for colonial rule again.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2024-07/independent-commission-on-the-constitutional-future-of-wales-final-report.pdf

Chapter seven explores three options, one of them being independence.

 

[jacabertawe]

Independence in Your Pocket

The 'Independence in your Pocket' booklet serves as an important and positive starting point for future discussions. We hope YesCymru can fundamentally shift the tone and content of the debate on independence.

www.yes.cymru

 

[Smurph]

Independence in Your Pocket

The 'Independence in your Pocket' booklet serves as an important and positive starting point for future discussions. We hope YesCymru can fundamentally shift the tone and content of the debate on independence.

www.yes.cymru

Unless things have changed does this website lay out a detailed, step by step plan for closing the fiscal gap?

The last time I looked there was no clear tax strategy or timeline showing how or when the deficit would be eliminated.

This is by no means a criticism on my part, I'm open to the idea of independence if someone can clearly outline how it is going to be achieved.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Unless things have changed does this website lay out a detailed, step by step plan for closing the fiscal gap?

The last time I looked there was no clear tax strategy or timeline showing how or when the deficit would be eliminated.

This is by no means a criticism on my part, I'm open to the idea of independence if someone can clearly outline how it is going to be achieved.

Chapter six covers the supposed fiscal deficit

 

[Smurph]

For anyone interested

Chapter 6 - Can Wales Afford Independence?

For an independent Wales

www.yes.cymru

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Unless things have changed does this website lay out a detailed, step by step plan for closing the fiscal gap?

The last time I looked there was no clear tax strategy or timeline showing how or when the deficit would be eliminated.

This is by no means a criticism on my part, I'm open to the idea of independence if someone can clearly outline how it is going to be achieved.

Establishing the fiscal gap is difficult.

Firstly Wales is allocated ‘its share’ of UK projects (defence for example) and English projects (HS2 being an obvious example).

Secondly companies registered in England but operating in Wales (most of them) will show as profits being generated in England rather than being split.

Thirdly VAT take from those companies is not split (VAT is not devolved).

So the actual deficit will be a lot lower than it first appears.

Plus the UK as a whole runs a significant deficit. Most countries do. So expecting Wales to have zero deficit is unrealistic.

Economically there will be significant challenges. But Wales does also have some significant resources that could be exploited. Tidal energy, access to significant coastline for off shore wind (Cardigan bay), and a relatively highly skilled workforce. And water. Of course which will become an increasingly valuable commodity. Plus it would have the opportunity to establish taxation policies that could be very attractive for business and incoming investment.

It would need to significantly up its political game of course. I worry that the prevailing ‘committee men in club blazers’ mindset so obvious in anything run in Wales would spill over into petty small mindedness which would singularly fail to properly exploit opportunity at a national level and would end up being a disaster. Wales would need to drop the parochialism and see a cultural shift. It can happen - Ireland is a great example - but it’s not guaranteed.

 

[Cooperman]

Establishing the fiscal gap is difficult.

Firstly Wales is allocated ‘its share’ of UK projects (defence for example) and English projects (HS2 being an obvious example).

Secondly companies registered in England but operating in Wales (most of them) will show as profits being generated in England rather than being split.

Thirdly VAT take from those companies is not split (VAT is not devolved).

So the actual deficit will be a lot lower than it first appears.

Plus the UK as a whole runs a significant deficit. Most countries do. So expecting Wales to have zero deficit is unrealistic.

Economically there will be significant challenges. But Wales does also have some significant resources that could be exploited. Tidal energy, access to significant coastline for off shore wind (Cardigan bay), and a relatively highly skilled workforce. And water. Of course which will become an increasingly valuable commodity. Plus it would have the opportunity to establish taxation policies that could be very attractive for business and incoming investment.

It would need to significantly up its political game of course. I worry that the prevailing ‘committee men in club blazers’ mindset so obvious in anything run in Wales would spill over into petty small mindedness which would singularly fail to properly exploit opportunity at a national level and would end up being a disaster. Wales would need to drop the parochialism and see a cultural shift. It can happen - Ireland is a great example - but it’s not guaranteed.

It might be difficult but it can still be mapped out in a forecast. If this hasn’t been done within the links provided, then it should be corrected. We don’t need another Brexit type decision, driven by political whataboutery and downright lies. There is an opportunity here for the pro independence parties to make a strong claim.

 

[Smurph]

Establishing the fiscal gap is difficult.

Firstly Wales is allocated ‘its share’ of UK projects (defence for example) and English projects (HS2 being an obvious example).

Secondly companies registered in England but operating in Wales (most of them) will show as profits being generated in England rather than being split.

Thirdly VAT take from those companies is not split (VAT is not devolved).

So the actual deficit will be a lot lower than it first appears.

Plus the UK as a whole runs a significant deficit. Most countries do. So expecting Wales to have zero deficit is unrealistic.

Economically there will be significant challenges. But Wales does also have some significant resources that could be exploited. Tidal energy, access to significant coastline for off shore wind (Cardigan bay), and a relatively highly skilled workforce. And water. Of course which will become an increasingly valuable commodity. Plus it would have the opportunity to establish taxation policies that could be very attractive for business and incoming investment.

It would need to significantly up its political game of course. I worry that the prevailing ‘committee men in club blazers’ mindset so obvious in anything run in Wales would spill over into petty small mindedness which would singularly fail to properly exploit opportunity at a national level and would end up being a disaster. Wales would need to drop the parochialism and see a cultural shift. It can happen - Ireland is a great example - but it’s not guaranteed.

Thanks for that, Lisa, makes sense for someone like me.

I'd love it if they could provide a blueprint on how they would achieve independence.