British Steel - Nationalisation

[jack123]

Probably could have worded it better.

They can see with their own eyes what's going on around them.

Yes I agree, the thing is for some reason it’s a very taboo subject. You just have to talk about the small boat crossings and people may assume you have suddenly become a racist or just a numpty who believes everything they believe on the internet. It’s a shame.

The fact that people have genuine concerns, seems irrelevant, brandish you a Tommy supporter, end of story. Job done.

 

[Niigata Jack]

I don’t think anyone has said it doesn’t. What this thread does illustrate is how easy it is to dupe and radicalise ordinary, decent people and get them to convince themselves and others that their and the country’s problems are all solely and complete the fault of immigration and immigrants. There are examples throughout history of what this kind of propaganda can lead to and it’s very troubling. Facts become expendable and social media and WhatsApp group messages become received wisdom. I must wish people wouldn’t believe everything they read and read only everything they already believe.

It's not just immigration though this government is giving billions away abroad and another 750 million in military hardware to Ukraine again, he's constantly weakening our defensive capabilities, then his lackey takes more and more money off the hardworking taxpayer, you can't have savings cause she's attacking it by taxing the interest your savings earn after people have already paid tax on the money they saved in the first place, 40% in some cases, latest speculation is that she's gone stop the 20k ISA's cause she want's people to invest in stocks and shares, it's not up to her to dictate as to where people invest their money, personal pensions have taken a hammering since Trump got the Presidency back, she's alright though her pension is already sorted cause she'll be on final salary or even more when she retires probably in her 50's, like the liar and his other cronies will.

I can't see how people can defend him and his party and it's gonna get worse at the Autumn budget and when Trumpets 9 months tariff pause ends and that'll be in the couple on months leading up to Christmas.

Energy bills will have another jump up in prices.

This isn't the Labour Government people expected nowhere near, ask lifelong Labour voters, I speak to 3/4 or even 5 customers every day and 90% of them are moaning about this government and without any prompts from me, they turn my guts everytime I see their mugs, I never thought I'd be thinking that after the corrupt self serving Torys.

I shouldn't talk about it especially at this time of night it winds me right up.

 

[jack123]

It's not just immigration though this government is giving billions away abroad and another 750 million in military hardware to Ukraine again, he's constantly weakening our defensive capabilities, then his lackey takes more and more money off the hardworking taxpayer, you can't have savings cause she's attacking it by taxing the interest your savings earn after people have already paid tax on the money they saved in the first place, 40% in some cases, latest speculation is that she's gone stop the 20k ISA's cause she want's people to invest in stocks and shares, it's not up to her to dictate as to where people invest their money, personal pensions have taken a hammering since Trump got the Presidency back, she's alright though her pension is already sorted cause she'll be on final salary or even more when she retires probably in her 50's, like the liar and his other cronies will.

I can't see how people can defend him and his party and it's gonna get worse at the Autumn budget and when Trumpets 9 months tariff pause ends and that'll be in the couple on months leading up to Christmas.

Energy bills will have another jump up in prices.

This isn't the Labour Government people expected nowhere near, ask lifelong Labour voters, I speak to 3/4 or even 5 customers every day and 90% of them are moaning about this government and without any prompts from me, they turn my guts everytime I see their mugs, I never thought I'd be thinking that after the corrupt self serving Torys.

I shouldn't talk about it especially at this time of night it winds me right up.

You shouldn’t let it wind you up mate, completely pointless. Whatever happens is totally out of our control. I think of that Keanu Reeves quote something like ‘ If you think 2+2=5 That’s fine.

 

[waynekerr55]

Whatever, but these boats need stopping, the Country be bankrupt the way it's going and its the Taxpayer who'll be picking up the bill, especially with that cow Reeves and her boss the liar and no one can say that he and here hasn't lied, I detest the tories and this lot are catching them up quickly, can't stand any of them, snakes the lot of them. The liar is spending money like water giving our money away.

I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks either.

Yep, they do. If we make parasites and corporations pay their fair share, then we could Adequately fund border force to do so.

 

[waynekerr55]

I don’t get involved in these conversations much but there’s definitely an issue with immigration that some people don’t want to admit to whether the people landing on these shores are 30 year old fighting men or not.

️That's not aimed at anyone in this thread ️

There's an issue of course, nobody is saying there isn't.

The irony is we were all told in 2016 this would be sorted and nearly ten years later... Well

 

[JackSomething]

If anything would ever make me stop and reconsider my stance on an issue, it would be when jack123 and AndyCole are agreeing with me.

 

[jack123]

There's an issue of course, nobody is saying there isn't.

The irony is we were all told in 2016 this would be sorted and nearly ten years later... Well

I’m no rocket scientist, but I feel you are having a go at Brexit?

Just blame bygone years? What does that achieve really?

 

[jack123]

If anything would ever make me stop and reconsider my stance on an issue, it would be when jack123 and AndyCole are agreeing with me.

Why not consider, that you are not the brightest spark.

 

[Smurph]

Yes I agree, the thing is for some reason it’s a very taboo subject. You just have to talk about the small boat crossings and people may assume you have suddenly become a racist or just a numpty who believes everything they believe on the internet. It’s a shame.

The fact that people have genuine concerns, seems irrelevant, brandish you a Tommy supporter, end of story. Job done.

Agreed.

I'm getting fed up of people accusing others of either being radicalised by the media or thick because they have genuine concerns and view points that differ from others.

 

[Smurph]

It's not just immigration though this government is giving billions away abroad and another 750 million in military hardware to Ukraine again, he's constantly weakening our defensive capabilities, then his lackey takes more and more money off the hardworking taxpayer, you can't have savings cause she's attacking it by taxing the interest your savings earn after people have already paid tax on the money they saved in the first place, 40% in some cases, latest speculation is that she's gone stop the 20k ISA's cause she want's people to invest in stocks and shares, it's not up to her to dictate as to where people invest their money, personal pensions have taken a hammering since Trump got the Presidency back, she's alright though her pension is already sorted cause she'll be on final salary or even more when she retires probably in her 50's, like the liar and his other cronies will.

I can't see how people can defend him and his party and it's gonna get worse at the Autumn budget and when Trumpets 9 months tariff pause ends and that'll be in the couple on months leading up to Christmas.

Energy bills will have another jump up in prices.

This isn't the Labour Government people expected nowhere near, ask lifelong Labour voters, I speak to 3/4 or even 5 customers every day and 90% of them are moaning about this government and without any prompts from me, they turn my guts everytime I see their mugs, I never thought I'd be thinking that after the corrupt self serving Torys.

I shouldn't talk about it especially at this time of night it winds me right up.

Labour apologists, that's what they are.

It's been happening in Wales for 25 years and look at the mess the country is in.

 

[Darran]

Agreed.

I'm getting fed up of people accusing others of either being radicalised by the media or thick because they have genuine concerns and view points that differ from others.

I’m definitely not right wing several people from foreign lands saved my life though I wouldn’t say I’m left wing either but if you ask certain questions it seems to suddenly label you as right wing.
It’s like the poor people who have had their lives and countries destroyed a lot of times by us and the Yanks,
They travel across Europe and reach France but still aren’t happy so they risk their lives crossing the channel in a dinjy.

And the question that’ll suddenly make me look right wing is why the fuck don’t they stay in mainland Europe?

 

[Smurph]

I’m definitely not right wing several people from foreign lands saved my life though I wouldn’t say I’m left wing either but if you ask certain questions it seems to suddenly label you as right wing.
It’s like the poor people who have had their lives and countries destroyed a lot of times by us and the Yanks,
They travel across Europe and reach France but still aren’t happy so they risk their lives crossing the channel in a dinjy.

And the question that’ll suddenly make me look right wing is why the fuck don’t they stay in mainland Europe?

I'm neither left or right wing and don't have any affiliation to any political party, they're all just as useless as each other.

The thought of putting the lives of my family at risk to reach another safe country just does't make sense if I'm genuinely seeking asylum to protect the lives of my family and I.

Why don't they pay for a flight in to this country and seek asylum that way?

I have no issues with people wanting to reach this country to make a better life for themselves, what I do have an issue with is all sorts of undesirables reaching these shore illegally.