British Steel - Nationalisation

[jack123]

If they entered France from another EU country, that would not be illegal if they had valid passports but the French are probably more than happy to get rid of them just as we would be so don't pour scorn on the French for doing something we would never dream of doing, that's pure hypocrisy. If we had lots of people in our country trying to get to France by whatever means, do you honestly belive we'd try to stop them and say "oh, hang on mate, you can't leave, it's illegal and the French say we are obliged to keep you here" ? You're having a laugh if you think that would happen.

The argument for the French carrying on the way they are, IMO does not bear any weight at all. It’s just conjecture.

I could hardly see if your scenario played out, and the French blamed us, surely it does not wash presenting a hypothetical situation, to justify it, and excuse it.

 

[K23]

The argument for the French carrying on the way they are, IMO does not bear any weight at all. It’s just conjecture.

I could hardly see if your scenario played out, and the French blamed us, surely it does not wash presenting a hypothetical situation, to justify it, and excuse it.

I'm neither trying to justify what the French are doing nor excuse it. All I'm saying is that I observe what is happening and I understand why it's happening whether I agree with it or not and irrespective of who I think is to blame. If you don't accept that we'd probably do exactly the same things if the roles were reversed, then that's fine, you're entitled to that belief but denying that it's even a possible realistic scenario simply because it will never be tested is an extremely one-eyed view and seems to imply that you think we have the moral high ground.

 

[jack123]

I'm neither trying to justify what the French are doing nor excuse it. All I'm saying is that I observe what is happening and I understand why it's happening whether I agree with it or not and irrespective of who I think is to blame. If you don't accept that we'd probably do exactly the same things if the roles were reversed, then that's fine, you're entitled to that belief but denying that it's even a possible realistic scenario simply because it will never be tested is an extremely one-eyed view and seems to imply that you think we have the moral high ground.

I’ll be honest, In this situation, that the Uk finds itself in, IMO we certainly do have the moral high ground.

If I was in charge, and someone said “could you stop multiple boats leaving your country for ours” my answer would not be, that you would do the same thing in our shoes, it really would not.

This is not the odd isolated incident, it’s 600 plus people coming across daily and it’s not even nice weather yet.

I think making the French do a lot more, is the cheapest option.

 

[Swanjaxs]

I’ll be honest, In this situation, that the Uk finds itself in, IMO we certainly do have the moral high ground.

If I was in charge, and someone said “could you stop multiple boats leaving your country for ours” my answer would not be, that you would do the same thing in our shoes, it really would not.

This is not the odd isolated incident, it’s 600 plus people coming across daily and it’s not even nice weather yet.

I think making the French do a lot more, is the cheapest option.

Making the French do a lot more; easier said than done...

 

[jack123]

Making the French do a lot more; easier said than done...

Yes, that is true. Of course it’s only talking away here, whatever we say will not make a blind bit of difference.

It’s kind of interesting if you think of how you could deal with a situation like this, which is on a lot of people’s minds, if you were the person in charge.

I think another option is to get the British Military involved, obviously they could work out the logistics to quell multiple vessels leaving every day.

Edit: And just to be clear, just in case anybody gets the wrong idea, I mean using the Military as manpower, and certainly in a non violent way, just feet on the ground, doing the french job for them.