Can we ever love Russell Martin?

[Darran]

Absolutely even his biggest fans are turning.

Getting behind a new manager and looking for positives is the right thing to do. I recall you saying you couldn’t see it after the first game, as was Perch before a ball was kicked, but I can understand the need for optimism. Now, after he has been in post for a year it is absolutely fair to make that judgement and most people will have come to the same conclusion as you did back to then.

It’s absolutely clear what he’s trying to do now and it clear he has no place coaching a professional football team.

I was behind him from the start and I still am today I just couldn’t understand what the football purists were seeing that I couldn’t see.

 

[FelindreJack]

Well, fans were singing up at Rotherham “so here’s to you Russell Martin, Swansea love you more than you will know” so…I guess that’s your answer

 

[ARQS]

I was behind him from the start and I still am today I just couldn’t understand what the football purists were seeing that I couldn’t see.

Do you mean football purists?

Or do you mean bores on social media who get validation from thinking they're so far above the average fan in terms of football knowledge and intelligence that they have to pretend that the Swans have been playing attractive and attacking football for the last 12 months, that Russell Martin is some sort of genius and we are anything other than a below average championship side?

It's all absolute bollocks. Everything about Russell Martin is total nonsense.

 

[Darran]

I was behind him from the start and I still am today I just couldn’t understand what the football purists were seeing that I couldn’t see.

Do you mean football purists?

Or do you mean bores on social media who get validation from thinking they're so far above the average fan in terms of football knowledge and intelligence that they have to pretend that the Swans have been playing attractive and attacking football for the last 12 months, that Russell Martin is some sort of genius and we are anything other than a below average championship side?

It's all absolute bollocks. Everything about Russell Martin is total nonsense.

Yes,yes I do. :lol:

 

[dickythorpe]

He's an egomaniac and nothing will be his fault

 

[Pegojack]

I was talking to a mate about it this morning, a dyed in the wool Jack from Port Talbot like me but who has been living in Canada for two years for family reasons. He came back to the UK for a few weeks and used my ticket on Saturday for his first home match in two years. Needless to say, he was appalled. He also said something interesting, that he thought Martin's 'process' was very old fashioned these days. Ten or fifteen years ago, it was all the vogue as Barca, and Spain on the international stage, conquered all, but nowadays teams have learned how to set up to counter it. We certainly saw that on Saturday.
I also think we don't have the personnel to carry it off even if it is a legitimate style. Not replacing Christie and Wolff at wing back is going to be our downfall if we persist in trying to make 'the process' work.

Was that Phil? If it was, I wish I'd known he was there, I'd have made sure I found him as I haven't seen him for a couple of years either. We've exchanged quite a few messages via FB messenger while he's been in Canada and although I knew he was back, I didn't know he was going to the Blackburn game. Do you know if he's doing Luton home on 20th? Actually, don't worry, I'll message him about that, not you!!

Yes, it was Phil, he went back to Canada today, back to the UK for good first week of October. Then he'll have to suffer like the rest of us.....

 

[Swanjaxs]

I'd love to see the back of him to be honest, but who next? We're fuçked either way.
The next level see

 

[K23]

I'd love to see the back of him to be honest, but who next? We're fuçked either way.
The next level see

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, we've got some very good players for this level but we need someone to take off their shackles, arrange them in a formation that makes best use of their abilities, change their mindset into playing in a forwards direction and get them geared up to trying to score as many goals as possible in every game. They are professional footballers and have shown that they are capable of carrying out a manager's instructions but it's those instructions that need to change and the sooner the better.

 

[Swanjaxs]

I'd love to see the back of him to be honest, but who next? We're fuçked either way.
The next level see

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, we've got some very good players for this level but we need someone to take off their shackles, arrange them in a formation that makes best use of their abilities, change their mindset into playing in a forwards direction and get them geared up to trying to score as many goals as possible in every game. They are professional footballers and have shown that they are capable of carrying out a manager's instructions but it's those instructions that need to change and the sooner the better.

I absolutely agree, in fact I posted in another thread that Martin probably has better players available that Cooper had, my point is our club is broken from the top down, if Martin persist with his " philosophy " it's only going to end up one way. The hedge fund won't sanction another payout anytime soon either, so, its looking drab to say the least...

 

[Darran]

Love him?
I saw my first Swans game as a nipper in 1972 and I’ve never seen a manager loved by some people like this guy.
On February 12th this year on this very forum I said The minute he came in the door he was put on a pedestal and treated as if he was the God of football and I couldn’t understand why especially has he had virtually nothing on his managerial cv.

I’m seriously missing something,he was exalted to levels I’ve never seen in all my years watching the Swans and treated as if some coaching Svengali.
After his first game in charge people were saying they could see what he was trying to,I had no idea wtf they were talking about then and I have absolutely no idea today.

I also said on here last February “I honestly believe people have lost all track of what association football is all about.
I think part of football in the 21st century is too much about the manager trying to outwit the opposing manager,if you get my drift.
Instead of the Christmas tree formation with three at the back,a diamond in midfield and one in the hole just go out and play a bit of football.
It’s not that hard really is it and whilst the majority of people would like to play like Brazil and score goals like Carlos Alberto in the 1970 World Cup final it’s just not possible so just kick the f*cking ball to a teammate at every opportunity” and last Saturdays game is no bigger example.

 

[Skippyjack]

Love him?
I saw my first Swans game as a nipper in 1972 and I’ve never seen a manager loved by some people like this guy.
On February 12th this year on this very forum I said The minute he came in the door he was put on a pedestal and treated as if he was the God of football and I couldn’t understand why especially has he had virtually nothing on his managerial cv.

I’m seriously missing something,he was exalted to levels I’ve never seen in all my years watching the Swans and treated as if some coaching Svengali.
After his first game in charge people were saying they could see what he was trying to,I had no idea wtf they were talking about then and I have absolutely no idea today.

I also said on here last February “I honestly believe people have lost all track of what association football is all about.
I think part of football in the 21st century is too much about the manager trying to outwit the opposing manager,if you get my drift.
Instead of the Christmas tree formation with three at the back,a diamond in midfield and one in the hole just go out and play a bit of football.
It’s not that hard really is it and whilst the majority of people would like to play like Brazil and score goals like Carlos Alberto in the 1970 World Cup final it’s just not possible so just kick the f*cking ball to a teammate at every opportunity” and last Saturdays game is no bigger example.

Football is a simple game complicated by idiots

Said the greatest manager to ever walk the earth apparently

 

[Longlostjack]

I was talking to a mate about it this morning, a dyed in the wool Jack from Port Talbot like me but who has been living in Canada for two years for family reasons. He came back to the UK for a few weeks and used my ticket on Saturday for his first home match in two years. Needless to say, he was appalled. He also said something interesting, that he thought Martin's 'process' was very old fashioned these days. Ten or fifteen years ago, it was all the vogue as Barca, and Spain on the international stage, conquered all, but nowadays teams have learned how to set up to counter it. We certainly saw that on Saturday.
I also think we don't have the personnel to carry it off even if it is a legitimate style. Not replacing Christie and Wolff at wing back is going to be our downfall if we persist in trying to make 'the process' work.

Good point. It’s as if he thinks he’s invented the wheel. I‘ve just polished the bottle of Port I brought back from Porto last week so rather than post anything original I‘ll cut and paste an article about Klopp. Martin could learn a thing or two. Seperate transport from the team FFS. Good luck for Pego for the season!

„It’s a combination of the following skills: tactics, man-management, scouting, charisma.

Tactics - he has developed a very practical tactical approach to football. You can break it down into the following components:

Risk management - if the opponent is pressing very high, don’t risk losing the ball in dangerous ares but rather send a long pass from the back line to the front line.
Long balls - this tactic is considered old fashioned and ineffective for favorite sides, but Liverpool have mastered it, and as a result, the percentage of success with long balls is the highest i’ve ever witnessed.
Second balls - if the long ball is not accurate enough, the second ball, especially in opponent’s half, is a great attacking asset. They work on those in training sessions and as a result, they create a lot of dangerous attacks from those situations.
Set pieces and throw-ins - his assistants analyze the hell of all those static plays and have a few options of play for each type of them, having the whole team in sync on what they’ll do, it allows them to convert these to goals with an above average probability.
Man-management - he treats people as equals, lets the players have the fame, takes the blame for team’s shortfalls on himself, has great personal relationships with all of his players. He is a natural in interpersonal relations.

Scouting - this is probably his main advantage over other managers (especially over Pep). He can recognize a talent that fits an exact role in his team from the most unexpected places. Some examples are: Salah (who knew he is so good? Jurgen said that he was looking for a winger that can run fast with the ball and merge his own runs with the direction of the ball smoothly, this is very subtle, but this is a common characteristic of Salah & Mane), Robertson, Wijnaldum, Lewandowski etc. I’ve only listed a few, and only those that improved significantly under Klopp. Pep on the other hand, got rid of Eto’o and Yaya Toure, signed Zlatan, Seydou Keita and Chigrinsky, and even admitted that signing players is not his best skill (he might have said it cynically, but it’s so true).

Charisma - this is a skill you can’t acquire. You either have it or not. Jurgen is a very charismatic man, he is a natural leader, he always says the right words at the right time. In addition to that, he has a down-to-earth attitude and a good sense of humour.“

Edit: I‘m no bloody Liverpool fan!

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Yes we can.

But he needs to change.

 

[Risc]

Is it even financially possible to sack Martin?

Would assume the cost would be huge.

 

[A4Jack]

Is it even financially possible to sack Martin?

Would assume the cost would be huge.

Probably 10k a week times by 100 weeks full amount. Maybe come to an agreement but even if it's just him you're talking about 800k