Downes

[jruss]

Why should he not be captain? We're simply not in a position to judge it.

We don't see enough of the changing room/interaction every day to tell whether he is a good leader or not.

Shouting and screaming on the pitch doesn't mean you're a great captain overall.

Martin has praised him numerous times for positive leadership and helping others/younger players in the build up to games/training. Cooper picking him for captain in the first place was after observation of the squad in the day-to-day interactions.

People can call for him to be dropped or question his ability but this idea that has long existed that he is a poor captain is utter nonsense. We can never have enough information to tell either way. But the people who do, and make the decisions, and work with him all the time seem to think he is a good leader.

 

[J_B]

I know family of a young fringe first team player and I hear that the young players are full of praise of Grimes for his encouragement, advice and leadership off the pitch.

 

[Risc]

I know family of a young fringe first team player and I hear that the young players are full of praise of Grimes for his encouragement, advice and leadership off the pitch.

Everyone at the club speaks highly of Grimes. Including the man this this topic is about. Three managers have made him pretty much first name on the teamsheet and I can’t see it changing next season either.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

I don't mind he's great in the dressing room but I wish he was great on the pitch.

 

[Risc]

As per first post, looks as if it is Palace as expected.

 

[K23]

Why should he not be captain? We're simply not in a position to judge it.

We don't see enough of the changing room/interaction every day to tell whether he is a good leader or not.

Shouting and screaming on the pitch doesn't mean you're a great captain overall.

Martin has praised him numerous times for positive leadership and helping others/younger players in the build up to games/training. Cooper picking him for captain in the first place was after observation of the squad in the day-to-day interactions.

People can call for him to be dropped or question his ability but this idea that has long existed that he is a poor captain is utter nonsense. We can never have enough information to tell either way. But the people who do, and make the decisions, and work with him all the time seem to think he is a good leader.

There's a lot of logic in what you say. All I would add is that, if I remember correctly, Grimes was a significantly better player before he was given the responsibility of captaincy. I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be captain just for that reason because it depends on whether or not anyone else is capable of stepping up to the role and if we might lose something in making that change. Again, things we don't know.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

Why should he not be captain? We're simply not in a position to judge it.

We don't see enough of the changing room/interaction every day to tell whether he is a good leader or not.

Shouting and screaming on the pitch doesn't mean you're a great captain overall.

Martin has praised him numerous times for positive leadership and helping others/younger players in the build up to games/training. Cooper picking him for captain in the first place was after observation of the squad in the day-to-day interactions.

People can call for him to be dropped or question his ability but this idea that has long existed that he is a poor captain is utter nonsense. We can never have enough information to tell either way. But the people who do, and make the decisions, and work with him all the time seem to think he is a good leader.

There's a lot of logic in what you say. All I would add is that, if I remember correctly, Grimes was a significantly better player before he was given the responsibility of captaincy. I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be captain just for that reason because it depends on whether or not anyone else is capable of stepping up to the role and if we might lose something in making that change. Again, things we don't know.

He was certainly better under Potter, but a lot were. There needn’t be anything more to it than that. He’s fine. Him being captain is the least of our worries.

 

[bakajack]

Under Potter he had the freedom to attack and spray attacking passes helped out by van der Hoorn who had probably his best ever season under us playing a very similar quarterback role to what Ash used to do for us.

I wonder if Allen would now occupy the main holding position and allow Grimes to express himself like that again breaking the lines a bit more. Some of his more effective performances last season were when he was playing that sort of position (which admittedly mostly happened when we were chasing games).

 

[Jacket]

From the moment Martin admitted his interest in signing Allen, it felt like sugar on the pill of Downes' departure. Wonder if this means Piroe will stay? Not 100% it does if I'm honest.

 

[ThurrockJack]

From the moment Martin admitted his interest in signing Allen, it felt like sugar on the pill of Downes' departure. Wonder if this means Piroe will stay? Not 100% it does if I'm honest.

Will depend entirely on the price. If it is the 8m that has been said then I think Piroe will be off as well. Something between 13-15m and we might have some breathing room to keep him for another season.

 

[Risc]

From the moment Martin admitted his interest in signing Allen, it felt like sugar on the pill of Downes' departure. Wonder if this means Piroe will stay? Not 100% it does if I'm honest.

Will depend entirely on the price. If it is the 8m that has been said then I think Piroe will be off as well. Something between 13-15m and we might have some breathing room to keep him for another season.

Piroe will be off.

We’ll see movement on that middle of next week I reckon.

 

[Swansea93]

Will depend entirely on the price. If it is the 8m that has been said then I think Piroe will be off as well. Something between 13-15m and we might have some breathing room to keep him for another season.

Piroe will be off.

We’ll see movement on that middle of next week I reckon.

Guesswork or been told something Risc?

 

[Cooperman]

Piroe will be off.

We’ll see movement on that middle of next week I reckon.

Guesswork or been told something Risc?

Someone else needs to go in order to balance the finances. Piroe is one of the more obvious choices.

 

[Swansea93]

Guesswork or been told something Risc?

Someone else needs to go in order to balance the finances. Piroe is one of the more obvious choices.

WOL seem to think unless a massive offer for Piroe comes in he’ll stay now Downes is going, unlikely I’d say

 

[Risc]

Piroe will be off.

We’ll see movement on that middle of next week I reckon.

Guesswork or been told something Risc?

Guesswork when I say we will see movement next week, not sure when it will happen, but I know it was common knowledge within the club Downes would be the first to go, and Piroe not far after.

Deals for both were discussed days after season finished.