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For a club our size

JackSomething said:
Glyn1 said:
"For a club of our size" in this division.

It's a good question, and of course it's everyone's opinion but I think that there are 8 or 9 teams who are supposedly bigger than us, so getting to the Play Offs would be an achievement next season. I'm not sure if Bournemouth is bigger or smaller than us, but southern English clubs seem to have an advantage over us / northern English clubs

Finishing consistently in the top half of the Championship with a chance of the Play Offs would be fine by me, but would it be fine for our US owners?

I'd say Bournemouth have to be considered 'bigger' than us because they're being bankrolled. Look at the money they've spent this season to try and get promoted. I'd imagine they'd fall foul of FFP regulations at some point if they don't go up, but doubt they're too worried about that.

I don't see Bournemouth bigger than ourselves at all. Ground and facilities are poor and the support is very limited due to the majority of the locals follow and travel to watch London teams. Won nothing of note ever sleepy town even locals this a stadium move would be a waste of time and money . However they do have money behind them and if they get promoted and stay there for a while my views may change. I see us on a par with Bristol City , Plymouth , Hull and Reading in terms over club size and potential.
 
JustJack said:
I've always said to get relegated from this league, you need to be truly shite

You can have an average or even crap season and still be fine

Must be why we haven't been relegated from this level in 38 years if we stay up this season. Did it in style that season with just 29 points. Mind you, Man City and Chelsea were on this level back then. Shows you how things can change.
 
Jacket said:
JustJack said:
I've always said to get relegated from this league, you need to be truly shite

You can have an average or even crap season and still be fine

Must be why we haven't been relegated from this level in 38 years if we stay up this season. Did it in style that season with just 29 points. Mind you, Man City and Chelsea were on this level back then. Shows you how things can change.

All about which team has the most money now though. Oh for the glorious days of the old Division 1.
 
Ringwood Jack said:
JackSomething said:
I'd say Bournemouth have to be considered 'bigger' than us because they're being bankrolled. Look at the money they've spent this season to try and get promoted. I'd imagine they'd fall foul of FFP regulations at some point if they don't go up, but doubt they're too worried about that.

I don't see Bournemouth bigger than ourselves at all. Ground and facilities are poor and the support is very limited due to the majority of the locals follow and travel to watch London teams. Won nothing of note ever sleepy town even locals this a stadium move would be a waste of time and money . However they do have money behind them and if they get promoted and stay there for a while my views may change. I see us on a par with Bristol City , Plymouth , Hull and Reading in terms over club size and potential.

I was basing them being bigger than us purely on the money available to them.

In the context of what level a club 'should' be at, I don't disagree with anything you've said about them or us. But the money is such a huge factor that it means their level is probably the PL, when without a sugar daddy owner it would be League 1.
 
Jacket said:
JustJack said:
I've always said to get relegated from this league, you need to be truly shite

You can have an average or even crap season and still be fine

Must be why we haven't been relegated from this level in 38 years if we stay up this season. Did it in style that season with just 29 points. Mind you, Man City and Chelsea were on this level back then. Shows you how things can change.

Name the two that went down with us
 
Trouble is if you have no ambition the club will stagnate the better ambitious players will move to the PL either for better football prospects or more money.
The risk then is a couple of bad season relegation could become a possibility and the downward spiral begins.
 
Swanseafan said:
Trouble is if you have no ambition the club will stagnate the better ambitious players will move to the PL either for better football prospects or more money.
The risk then is a couple of bad season relegation could become a possibility and the downward spiral begins.

Most sensible post ive read in this thread
 
Yjb_09 said:
Swanseafan said:
Trouble is if you have no ambition the club will stagnate the better ambitious players will move to the PL either for better football prospects or more money.
The risk then is a couple of bad season relegation could become a possibility and the downward spiral begins.

Most sensible post ive read in this thread

Apart from the fact that we don’t have a single player now that would survive in the PL and we are still better than half the clubs in the division.
 
Cooperman said:
This probably is our level, all things considered. We were punching well above our weight for four or five of the Premier League years and it just goes to show what is possible with such a well run outfit, which we were at the time.

This doesn’t mean to say that fans cannot be ambitious. Whilst I’m hopeful for the future I don’t want getting into the same financial predicament as Derby, Reading and co.


We've been in the Derby, Reading and many others financial predicament.
Bucket collections. Whip arounds
Buying worthless shares while at the vetch.
Now have worthless Trust shares🙄

So, I'm happy with our current position on the field and by the looks of the way the yanks want the club run, off it as well.
In comparison to the fax machine breaking on transfer deadline day era at least.

More confident in the yanks than our Trust board.

Right manager and the players with the right attitude, hungry to be up with the best (like the Tapas waiter had) and we could hit the highs again.

Not sure "doing a John Toshack " will be possible again for any club
 
When we judge ‘our size’ are we taking into consideration the revenue of close to £1bn we earned in the premier league and through parachutes or not?

If we are, then we are absolutely failing. If not, then why not? For a club with a stadium given to us and no debt it would seem careless to have nothing to show for all that wouldn’t it apart from a few extra seats around the exits and a lease with the university and an academy centre that our own first team don’t use…
 
Londonlisa2001 said:
When we judge ‘our size’ are we taking into consideration the revenue of close to £1bn we earned in the premier league and through parachutes or not?

If we are, then we are absolutely failing. If not, then why not? For a club with a stadium given to us and no debt it would seem careless to have nothing to show for all that wouldn’t it apart from a few extra seats around the exits and a lease with the university and an academy centre that our own first team don’t use…

We spent some of that money wisely on facilities such as Fairwood (the lease is presumably due to a covenant, the buildings and pitches should be part of the attraction for players and manager to come to the club) and the academy centre was and should be a significant investment in the future of this club and probably our only investment that will produce some sort of return if run correctly, the rest of the PL money was spent on ever increasing players wages and dividends to the board in a ultimately futile attempt to stay in the PL.

The money that was wasted from 2014 onwards is eye watering.

The amount of debt we carried into the championship on relegation was very nearly a terminal wound to this club. Hopefully we can move forward but the Trust has basically committed suicide and I cannot see anyone now representing the fans with any real mandate from now on.

Membership will plummet and allegations of cronyism will be made.
 
It all comes down to this…
Am I right in thinking we have 27 millionaires in the American set up that owns us??

If we want to stay in this division then stay as we are and just try put the ball in the net a bit more.

If we want to go up then we need to get a mitrovic, pukki, Ivan Toney, etc etc. Or we strike it lucky and find a hidden gem like Michu.

If we have 27 Americans on board then this shouldn’t be a problem.

We not going anywhere with what we currently got.
Which doesn’t bother me, as long as the 11 players on the pitch put in a shift each week I’m more than happy staying in this division.
Plus an added bonus would be if we had a manager that take the potential of doing a historic double over Cardiff seriously. As the previous manager failed to recognise this from the golden position to do so.
 

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