James McClean (again)

[Niigata Jack]

Aye, his arse must have been twitching by then as well.

That's a thought I'm not gonna dwell on ffs

 

[Smurph]

That's a thought I'm not gonna dwell on ffs

Me neither, now you to mention it

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I'll be straight to the point. I despise the man.

He’ll be gutted to hear that.

 

[NEATH JACK 8]

He’ll be gutted to hear that.

I don't give two shits what he thinks or has to say. And seeing as this is a Swansea forum why the fuck would he hear it anyway ? Banal comment.

 

[DanWelsh]

Sorry lads, but it's important to remember the many, many Welsh servicemen who died fighting for this country. There's nothing "right wing" about that and he's a disgrace for openly supporting the IRA and making posts about it. An organisation that planted nail bombs in busy areas and killed women and children.

 

[Cooperman]

Sorry lads, but it's important to remember the many, many Welsh servicemen who died fighting for this country. There's nothing "right wing" about that and he's a disgrace for openly supporting the IRA and making posts about it. An organisation that planted nail bombs in busy areas and killed women and children.

Wales hasn't got the equivalent of a Bloody Sunday written into recent history. Fair enough, he doesn't want to wear a poppy on the basis of it representing us across all conflicts; Nemanja Matic was another who took such a stance and he never seemed to cop the same flak. The difference with Maclean is that he is prepared to give as good as he gets and nothing can now break that cycle, that said he's overstepped the mark more than once.

 

[DanWelsh]

Wales hasn't got the equivalent of a Bloody Sunday written into recent history. Fair enough, he doesn't want to wear a poppy on the basis of it representing us across all conflicts; Nemanja Matic was another who took such a stance and he never seemed to cop the same flak. The difference with Maclean is that he is prepared to give as good as he gets and nothing can now break that cycle, that said he's overstepped the mark more than once.

Well, we fight as one in the British Army so we all take the flack for it. We don't glamorise it though, like the IRA glamorise planting bombs during the troubles.

I find it funny there's been a quote about the right, yet someone has linked the absolute bottom tier sixth form politics Guardian as an article to be taken seriously. It's like the meme writes itself.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I find it funny there's been a quote about the right, yet someone has linked the absolute bottom tier sixth form politics Guardian as an article to be taken seriously. It's like the meme writes itself.

That was me. I thought it was a well written article and the themes about the over the top nature of remembrance these days chimed with me. You disagree of course and that’s fine. I respect your right to hold and express your views in the same way as I respect McLean’s right to hold and express his views. Whether I agree with either of you or not. Which is kind of the whole point here.

 

[DanWelsh]

That was me. I thought it was a well written article and the themes about the over the top native of remembrance these days chimed with me. You disagree of course and that’s fine. I respect your right to hold and express your views in the same way as I respect McLean’s right to hold and express his views. Whether I agree with either of you or not. Which is kind of the whole point here.

The Guardian is literally my A Level politics class on steroids. We remember the fallen, who gave their lives for the place we call home today, whether we like it here or not.

It's not too much to ask, to spend one Sunday in remembrance a year.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

The Guardian is literally my A Level politics class on steroids. We remember the fallen, who gave their lives for the place we call home today, whether we like it here or not.

It's not too much to ask, to spend one Sunday in remembrance a year.

Ok you don’t like the Guardian, that’s fine. Irrelevant but fine. On your second point, completely agree. One Sunday a year is absolutely not too much to ask. And that’s what it used to be. But my point pages ago (and the gist of the Guardian article which you’ve slated but obviously didn’t read) is that it’s no longer one Sunday a year. At football matches up amd down the country this goes on for three weeks or more before Remembrance Sunday. And further to that, those who choose not to wear a poppy are often roundly slated which is the very antithesis of the tolerance and freedom of choice we say that the fallen sacrificed their lives for.

 

[DanWelsh]

Ok you don’t like the Guardian, that’s fine. Irrelevant but fine. On your second point, completely agree. One Sunday a year is absolutely not too much to ask. And that’s what it used to be. But my point pages ago (and the gist of the Guardian article which you’ve slated but obviously didn’t read) is that it’s no longer one Sunday a year. At football matches up amd down the country this goes on for three weeks or more before Remembrance Sunday. And further to that, those who choose not to wear a poppy are often roundly slated which is the very antithesis of the tolerance and freedom of choice we say that the fallen sacrificed their lives for.

As opposed to taking the knee for years? Despite BLM being overtly political and having links to Communist sympathisers?

It's right that people should be offended if a significant political figure or celebrity doesn't wear the Poppy, those men died for the very political system and country they make a living off today.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Ok you don’t like the Guardian, that’s fine. Irrelevant but fine. On your second point, completely agree. One Sunday a year is absolutely not too much to ask. And that’s what it used to be. But my point pages ago (and the gist of the Guardian article which you’ve slated but obviously didn’t read) is that it’s no longer one Sunday a year. At football matches up amd down the country this goes on for three weeks or more before Remembrance Sunday. And further to that, those who choose not to wear a poppy are often roundly slated which is the very antithesis of the tolerance and freedom of choice we say that the fallen sacrificed their lives for.

Superbly put.

See, this is exactly what I was talking about in my post last night.

Once you give these people what they want - i.e. a fortnight's festival of poppy porn - it's still not enough. If you're not doing it the way they want you to do it, then you're not doing it properly, and so you're disrespectful, or a traitor or whatever nonsense label they tend to put on it.

Tiresome, right-wing, culture war-stoking bollocks. That's what it is.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

As opposed to taking the knee for years? Despite BLM being overtly political and having links to Communist sympathisers?

It's right that people should be offended if a significant political figure or celebrity doesn't wear the Poppy, those men died for the very political system and country they make a living off today.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Well, we fight as one in the British Army so we all take the flack for it. We don't glamorise it though, like the IRA glamorise planting bombs during the troubles.

I find it funny there's been a quote about the right, yet someone has linked the absolute bottom tier sixth form politics Guardian as an article to be taken seriously. It's like the meme writes itself.

Bloody Sunday...

 

[Neath_Jack]

Bloody Sunday?

It’s okay when the British do it, that’s how it works with them.