Karen Carney

[Darran]

Twitter snowflakes are starting to kick off because she said “going mental” live in the football commentary. :lol:

Can you see the point of some not liking that word? (I'd also wager some are kicking off for kicking off sake mind, I haven't seen the Twitter outrage).

There are some vile words out there for people who are disabled, they were commonly used years ago. Thankfully you rarely hear them these days (although your Cimla chum used it against me not long ago).

People with mental illnesses are worth no less than disabled, or able body people.

Mental health is only recently starting to be recognised by society as being a real issue, and a real illness.

I'd imagine as more and more people become understanding of mental ill health, more and more people won't like phrases used like the one she said.

Yes of course I can and I’ll be interested to see if she’ll be dumped like the fella that said handbags.

 

[Darran]

There was no intent to cause offence which is all that matters IMO

The outrage should be saved for when Doctors are referring vulnerable people to black and white printouts because the local counselling services that they need are inadequate and overrun, or when DWP assessors are forcing sick people back to work because they have no understanding of the intricacies of mental illness

Just my view

I agree with you J. See my reply to Neath.

 

[sainthelens]

Can you see the point of some not liking that word? (I'd also wager some are kicking off for kicking off sake mind, I haven't seen the Twitter outrage).

There are some vile words out there for people who are disabled, they were commonly used years ago. Thankfully you rarely hear them these days (although your Cimla chum used it against me not long ago).

People with mental illnesses are worth no less than disabled, or able body people.

Mental health is only recently starting to be recognised by society as being a real issue, and a real illness.

I'd imagine as more and more people become understanding of mental ill health, more and more people won't like phrases used like the one she said.

Yes of course I can and I’ll be interested to see if she’ll be dumped like the fella that said handbags.

This.

 

[Darran]

Yes of course I can and I’ll be interested to see if she’ll be dumped like the fella that said handbags.

This.

I couldn’t give a toss about it but the second she said it I knew it would cause offence to someone.

 

[Polskijack]

.Snowflakes would have us apologising for everything

https://fb.watch/3duZqkMZUq/

 

[K23]

Twitter snowflakes are starting to kick off because she said “going mental” live in the football commentary. :lol:

Can you see the point of some not liking that word? (I'd also wager some are kicking off for kicking off sake mind, I haven't seen the Twitter outrage).

There are some vile words out there for people who are disabled, they were commonly used years ago. Thankfully you rarely hear them these days (although your Cimla chum used it against me not long ago).

People with mental illnesses are worth no less than disabled, or able body people.

Mental health is only recently starting to be recognised by society as being a real issue, and a real illness.

I'd imagine as more and more people become understanding of mental ill health, more and more people won't like phrases used like the one she said.

I agree with your last sentence Neathie. Mental illness had affected my life and I've definitely noticed myself trying to avoid using the word in general conversation. As knowledge spreads and experience evolves, most things eventually change to a greater or lesser extent.

 

[JackSomething]

There was no intent to cause offence which is all that matters IMO

The outrage should be saved for when Doctors are referring vulnerable people to black and white printouts because the local counselling services that they need are inadequate and overrun, or when DWP assessors are forcing sick people back to work because they have no understanding of the intricacies of mental illness

Just my view

Agreed.

You have to wonder if some of those complaining on Twitter are pretending to be extremely woke because they don't really like women commentating on men's football. Next thing you know they'll be complaining about how smartly women dress when covering football on TV and that a Wales women's manager shouldn't be on men's games...

I thought 'going mental' was more used to refer to someone spectacularly losing their temper, as in 'Neil Warnock going mental at the referee there for the 27th time today'.

 

[Neath_Jack]

There was no intent to cause offence which is all that matters IMO

The outrage should be saved for when Doctors are referring vulnerable people to black and white printouts because the local counselling services that they need are inadequate and overrun, or when DWP assessors are forcing sick people back to work because they have no understanding of the intricacies of mental illness

Just my view

Agreed.

You have to wonder if some of those complaining on Twitter are pretending to be extremely woke because they don't really like women commentating on men's football. Next thing you know they'll be complaining about how smartly women dress when covering football on TV and that a Wales women's manager shouldn't be on men's games...

I thought 'going mental' was more used to refer to someone spectacularly losing their temper, as in 'Neil Warnock going mental at the referee there for the 27th time today'.

Would you find it acceptable to say that he was acting retarded? Or a multitude of other similar adjectives?

So instead of using the term going mental, why not just say they were losing their temper? Because the chances are they weren't really suffering mental illness at that point were they.

Why normalise mental health issues in that way, when we don't in regards to serious physical health conditions? What's the difference?

 

[JackSomething]

Agreed.

You have to wonder if some of those complaining on Twitter are pretending to be extremely woke because they don't really like women commentating on men's football. Next thing you know they'll be complaining about how smartly women dress when covering football on TV and that a Wales women's manager shouldn't be on men's games...

I thought 'going mental' was more used to refer to someone spectacularly losing their temper, as in 'Neil Warnock going mental at the referee there for the 27th time today'.

Would you find it acceptable to say that he was acting retarded? Or a multitude of other similar adjectives?

So instead of using the term going mental, why not just say they were losing their temper? Because the chances are they weren't really suffering mental illness at that point were they.

Why normalise mental health issues in that way, when we don't in regards to serious physical health conditions? What's the difference?

I'm not defending it at all, just pointing out that I wasn't aware it was offensive in the way that retarded or spastic would be. Now I know, I'll be making an effort to not use it myself.

I agree with Blaze that Karen Carney likely also didn't know it was considered offensive. I imagine that'll be the last time she'll use the expression and so that should be that.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Would you find it acceptable to say that he was acting retarded? Or a multitude of other similar adjectives?

So instead of using the term going mental, why not just say they were losing their temper? Because the chances are they weren't really suffering mental illness at that point were they.

Why normalise mental health issues in that way, when we don't in regards to serious physical health conditions? What's the difference?

I'm not defending it at all, just pointing out that I wasn't aware it was offensive in the way that retarded or spastic would be. Now I know, I'll be making an effort to not use it myself.

I agree with Blaze that Karen Carney likely also didn't know it was considered offensive. I imagine that'll be the last time she'll use the expression and so that should be that.

That's the point I was trying to make in my earlier post, in that using those terms as throw away comments are not deemed as being offensive.

When I was growing up in the 70's/80's, those terms you used were often thrown about, sometimes as an insult, other times as a throw away comment. As time went on and peoples morals changed, so did the use of using those words. I'd imagine that we will see a similar shift in regards to mental health terminology. When i done my mental health first aid course a few years ago, one of the exercises was to list words that are used as an insult which can be directly linked to mental health illnesses, you'd be surprised how many are commonly used.