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Keir Starmer

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Chagos deal, overseas funding, including Ukraine, and the elephant in the room immigration costs, the removal of the two child cap, the benefit system which is encouraging people to stay in bed all all day or sit on their arses all day, the average working household would need to earn over 75k to much some of those on benefits.

I'm sorry Max, but a lot of that is nonsense and backs up what ECB and jack_lord have said earlier in the thread about the influence of the media and social media.

As someone who works with unemployed people, while there are many, many issues with the benefits system, encouraging people to stay in bed all day is rarely one of those issues.
 
The inheritance tax threshold is £500k if the main home is included. If there's more than that, I don't think any offspring is going to be on the breadline after they pay the tax.
That's ok then :rolleyes:

Taxes have been paid on that inheritance over and over before any siblings get their hands on it, its like savings tax has already been paid on the money has been saved and invested and then they tax the interest that has been accrued over that investment.
 
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The inheritance tax threshold is £500k if the main home is included. If there's more than that, I don't think any offspring is going to be on the breadline after they pay the tax.
If you're married your spouse gets everything free of inheritance tax and inherits your allowance. If you own a property that gives the surviving person £1 million to pass on without any tax implications.
 
And David Cameron is solely responsible for most of the current mess this country is in.
You’re not wrong on this. Cameron, Osborne (his chancellor) and May caused no end of damage to the country.
Then we had the serial liar and oaf that is Boris, bloke was caught lying numerous times and only went when his ministers started resigning after he’d been caught out lying over Pincher.
Next we had Truss, another disaster - it’s a good job she only last 40 days - her budget was enough of a disaster.

On reflection, Sunak was the best of the bunch but given the quality of his predecessors it was never going to take much.

I had high hopes for Starmer, he’s a bright guy but has had his own share of lemons around him. He's made mistakes, but the right wing press are defo out to get him.

I wonder what other secrets the Epstein files contain, the UK has taken action against the 2 people from here named in the files, but nowt has happened Stateside.
 
I'm sorry Max, but a lot of that is nonsense and backs up what ECB and jack_lord have said earlier in the thread about the influence of the media and social media.

As someone who works with unemployed people, while there are many, many issues with the benefits system, encouraging people to stay in bed all day is rarely one of those issues.
So "some" people on benefits don't have multiple holidays a year then, yes you're right about the perception of social media etc, but its happening, I can work in-between 3 to 5 different properties over my working day and I see it for myself genuinely.
I often come home especially if I've had a bad day, today I got soaked twice dried off in van first time second time I went home with my clothes wet/damp and I often think to pack it all in and play on the genuine facts that I've discomfort in my knees back shoulders etc, but no I still get up in the mornings and go to work like millions of others younger and older than me.
 
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You’re not wrong on this. Cameron, Osborne (his chancellor) and May caused no end of damage to the country.
Then we had the serial liar and oaf that is Boris, bloke was caught lying numerous times and only went when his ministers started resigning after he’d been caught out lying over Pincher.
Next we had Truss, another disaster - it’s a good job she only last 40 days - her budget was enough of a disaster.

On reflection, Sunak was the best of the bunch but given the quality of his predecessors it was never going to take much.

I had high hopes for Starmer, he’s a bright guy but has had his own share of lemons around him. He's made mistakes, but the right wing press are defo out to get him.

I wonder what other secrets the Epstein files contain, the UK has taken action against the 2 people from here named in the files, but nowt has happened Stateside.
Truss lasted 40 days and the Queen died during that time and the country stood still for a fortnight. She wouldn't have lasted a month normally.
 
So "some" people on benefits don't have multiple holidays a year then, yes you're right about the perception of social media etc, but its happening, I can work in-between 3 to 5 different properties over my working day and I see it for myself genuinely.
I often come home especially if I've had a bad day, today I got soaked twice dried off in van first time second time I went home with my clothes wet/damp and I often think to pack it all in and play on the genuine facts that I've discomfort in my knees back shoulders etc, but no I still get up in the mornings and go to work like millions of others younger and older than me.
As someone who is left of centre and does agree with a Keynesian approach to managing the economy doesn't mean I don't get pissed off with your examples above. I have had to work at least one in three weekends for the last 30 years and my family have suffered for it while I listen and see examples of jobless folk "having an easy life". I do understand though that these are not the norm as Multi nationals avoiding billions upon billlions of tax payments are. Maybe if the latter stumped up then the revenue would reduce our input and give opportunities to those that you see.
The world is a very very different place from when the Labour party was formed but you can thank them for very many things which is difficult to say about other parties.
 
That's ok then :rolleyes:

Taxes have been paid on that inheritance over and over before any siblings get their hands on it, its like savings tax has already been paid on the money has been saved and invested and then they tax the interest that has been accrued over that investment.
It's only 3% of the population Max, that says a lot.
 
It's only 3% of the population Max, that says a lot.
It does show how effective the right wing, power hungry, fascist playbook is in blaming people, and folk falling for it though. Clearly the benefits system needs reform, it wasn't designed for a post-covid world. It's instructive that no one blames billionaires and super rich sociopaths, or private equity that leeches the system dry. I wonder why that is? The simplistic arguments also totally ignore the complexities, constraints and realities of real life political choice.

Starmer has not been a competent Prime Minister by any yardstick bar the job of Foreign Secretary, but for people to demonise and 'hate' him for it, probably through social media characterisation is a sad reflection of a society that is increasingly unable to think critically for themselves. Worse than that, they believe they are thinking for themselves. My ex-best mate (a very clever person) has been radicalised on Twatter. It's like a cult virus.

It's everywhere and will get much worse. It makes me sad.
 
It does show how effective the right wing, power hungry, fascist playbook is in blaming people, and folk falling for it though. Clearly the benefits system needs reform, it wasn't designed for a post-covid world. It's instructive that no one blames billionaires and super rich sociopaths, or private equity that leeches the system dry. I wonder why that is? The simplistic arguments also totally ignore the complexities, constraints and realities of real life political choice.

Starmer has not been a competent Prime Minister by any yardstick bar the job of Foreign Secretary, but for people to demonise and 'hate' him for it, probably through social media characterisation is a sad reflection of a society that is increasingly unable to think critically for themselves. Worse than that, they believe they are thinking for themselves. My ex-best mate (a very clever person) has been radicalised on Twatter. It's like a cult virus.

It's everywhere and will get much worse. It makes me sad.
I consider myself lucky to have a small insight into the workings of central Government as my brother in law is a very senior civil servant and has worked with many PM's home secretary's etc and we have excellent chats about the personalities and failures . I was hoping he would defend Starmer more but there wasn't much coming that way. He did ask me how I felt the Senedd elections were going to pan out and I explained how the strength of the right wing is playing out and blurring reality. We went back to the dining table and his sister (not my wife) blurted out a whole bunch of the examples we had discussed and he said later, quietly, about how clearly social media is doing to affect her.
 
As someone who is left of centre and does agree with a Keynesian approach to managing the economy doesn't mean I don't get pissed off with your examples above. I have had to work at least one in three weekends for the last 30 years and my family have suffered for it while I listen and see examples of jobless folk "having an easy life". I do understand though that these are not the norm as Multi nationals avoiding billions upon billlions of tax payments are. Maybe if the latter stumped up then the revenue would reduce our input and give opportunities to those that you see.
The world is a very very different place from when the Labour party was formed but you can thank them for very many things which is difficult to say about other parties.
J, I don't categorise myself as left/right or centre, I couldn't careless, I see good in parts both sides of centre.

I agree about the multi nationals taxes, the government take it all off the "minions" rather than challenge the multi's, eldest always tells me about governments being controlled by a far higher authority when I go off and one he explains in some detail as well which goes right over my head, he's got a degree in Politics, International relations and another one that I can't remember, but its along the same road, he's learnt much more through his work.

Anyway its about balance of which there isn't any which pits the general public more or less against each other, the pensioners are the easy targets though those who have worked 40.45 and 50 plus years, not the ones who have plenty of course.
 
It's only 3% of the population Max, that says a lot.
Any one with savings gets hammered though, they want you to have savings so that they can take taxes off the interest over a grand and above I think, conveniently ignoring the fact that tax has already been paid on that money saved, they see it as new money so its open season.

I don't know the why's and wherefores, I just see things as I see them, if that makes sense.
 
Any way that's it from me on the subject, I'm to long in the tooth to change my views and I wouldn't want to anyway.
 
Any way that's it from me on the subject, I'm to long in the tooth to change my views and I wouldn't want to anyway.
Absolutely S, it is all about opinions. My B-I-L did PPE at Oxford so his knowledge far exceeds mine although I have a good grounding with my Economics degree which was mainly centred on the Economics of Government but in no way do I think I am absolutely right about my opinions. I am deeply suspicious of the media which is mainly controlled by the "right" and as you eldest alludes to the higher authority. I would say that the Government kept the triple lock which has really helped pensioners. Even though I consider myself left of centre, that is one I would have looked.
 
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