Kim Hellberg - Now’s the Time

[Andrew - North Hill]

Genuinely interested in who you think we should go for? I'm not entirely sold on Hellberg, but I can see the appeal

That's the thing - you look at the bookies list, and there's not much there I like. Brendan coming back would be brilliant but that will not happen.

 

[J_B]

Changing the manager is always a gamble. Changing the way we play and asking the players to adapt can take a while but at least there's a window coming up to tweak the squad.
Fans will be excited/underwhelmed and everywhere between but the proof of the pudding...
Remember Brendan being appointed? A huge collective meh from the fanbase greeted that one.

 

[WentToSchoolWith]

That's the thing - you look at the bookies list, and there's not much there I like. Brendan coming back would be brilliant but that will not happen.

Pretty much exactly how I feel, and why I don't mind us going for Hellberg.

The only name that seems to keep coming up is Carrick, but he failed to reach the play-offs two seasons running with a squad much stronger than ours, spending a lot more money. I try to keep up to date with the views of other fans across the season (admittedly, solely through r/championship and NTT20 podcast), and he was pretty much hated by the time he left.

 

[Martyn - Derwydd]

It just feels to me like another potential appointment made off the back of fancy stats and heatmaps, like with Martin and Williams. We're taking a risk on a coach whose numbers may stand up to a certain extent but, crucially, at an inferior standard to the division we're in.

Look at Tim Walter and Johannes Thorup from last season - parachuted in from nowhere, struggled, got sacked. Going back a bit further you had Duff with us. Bulut at Cardiff came with the sort of narrative now surrounding Hellberg, but we know how that ended.

Sorry to put a downer on things but to me, it just feels like an enormous and unnecessary risk of making the same mistakes we've made previously.

That's why I keep saying Wagner should be the choice. Proven at every club and successful both time in the Championship

 

[sit_down_jack]

Posted this in another thread but I think for every example of a failure there is one of success.

Le Bris, Wagner, Farke, all names that most of their respective fanbase wouldn’t have been familiar with but went on to find success.

It’s a gamble whoever we appoint for me.

 

[Magic_Michu]

It just feels to me like another potential appointment made off the back of fancy stats and heatmaps, like with Martin and Williams. We're taking a risk on a coach whose numbers may stand up to a certain extent but, crucially, at an inferior standard to the division we're in.

Look at Tim Walter and Johannes Thorup from last season - parachuted in from nowhere, struggled, got sacked. Going back a bit further you had Duff with us. Bulut at Cardiff came with the sort of narrative now surrounding Hellberg, but we know how that ended.

Sorry to put a downer on things but to me, it just feels like an enormous and unnecessary risk of making the same mistakes we've made previously.

Johannes Thorup actually did really well and didn’t deserve to be sacked by all accounts.

 

[sit_down_jack]

Johannes Thorup actually did really well and didn’t deserve to be sacked by all accounts.

A few said his attacking numbers were excellent but not the defence. I have heard though that Norwich didn’t have the best defenders that season.

Will Still is another that I think will succeed elsewhere.

 

[Cadoxton Jack]

It just feels to me like another potential appointment made off the back of fancy stats and heatmaps, like with Martin and Williams. We're taking a risk on a coach whose numbers may stand up to a certain extent but, crucially, at an inferior standard to the division we're in.

Look at Tim Walter and Johannes Thorup from last season - parachuted in from nowhere, struggled, got sacked. Going back a bit further you had Duff with us. Bulut at Cardiff came with the sort of narrative now surrounding Hellberg, but we know how that ended.

Sorry to put a downer on things but to me, it just feels like an enormous and unnecessary risk of making the same mistakes we've made previously.

That’s a fair point Andrew. Who would be your man for the job.

 

[tardylum]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988720382451544388

Clearly we dropped a huge clanger in the summer by not hiring Hellberg. Based on how it is playing out, it seems like the club are admitting they messed up by going with Sheehan. It seems to have caused a lot of internal strife that could have been avoided but at least they are trying to fix things now and are willing to backtrack.

I do worry about coaches who need time to implement their ideas, which is why ideally he would have been in the door in May. However, performances had dropped to such a low level that I am not sure it can get much worse with this squad of players even if there is an adaption period. Famous last words that I hope I do not regret, but it is not like we can create negative goalscoring chances?

 

[Swanjaxs]

If it is to be Hellberg, it will represent a big throw of the dice. The club can't afford to get it wrong. We may well see the best of this manager next season; hopefully, it will be in the Championship.

 

[Michu78]

If it is to be Hellberg, it will represent a big throw of the dice. The club can't afford to get it wrong. We may well see the best of this manager next season; hopefully, it will be in the Championship.

Or Premier League, we have enough time and matches to turn our season around.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Or Premier League, we have enough time and matches to turn our season around.

Indeed.

 

[Michu78]

That's why I keep saying Wagner should be the choice. Proven at every club and successful both time in the Championship

Not for me, loses more games than he wins if you look at his record overall.

 

[SwanseaBoy123]

Clearly we dropped a huge clanger in the summer by not hiring Hellberg. Based on how it is playing out, it seems like the club are admitting they messed up by going with Sheehan. It seems to have caused a lot of internal strife that could have been avoided but at least they are trying to fix things now and are willing to backtrack.

I do worry about coaches who need time to implement their ideas, which is why ideally he would have been in the door in May. However, performances had dropped to such a low level that I am not sure it can get much worse with this squad of players even if there is an adaption period. Famous last words that I hope I do not regret, but it is not like we can create negative goalscoring chances?

It definitely takes a bit of pressure of Hellberg now (if it is him), especially after fans seeing how useless Sheehan was.

He doesn't have an eternity to get his ideas across but he has more time than if he was appointed in the summer where people would have been on his back because of Sheehan good end to last season.

 

[Blackpooljack]

Just to sound a word of caution just watched the Hammarby v Elfsbourg highlights on YT and though not a lot of the build up play featured I'd say quiet a bit of the HIF play seemed very much in the recent Swans mould but the defence and keeping of the opposition was shocking and even a Sheehan lead SCFC team would have buried them.