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Marilyn Manson

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I’ve never liked that weirdo.


https://www.nme.com/news/music/evan-rachel-wood-and-other-women-make-allegations-of-abuse-against-marilyn-manson-2869492
 
Darran said:
I’ve never liked that weirdo.


https://www.nme.com/news/music/evan-rachel-wood-and-other-women-make-allegations-of-abuse-against-marilyn-manson-2869492

His early albums were good AntiChrist Superstar & Mechanical Animals, haven't taken any notice of him since.
 
Wow. I'm disappointed to read this. I always thought the weirdo persona was just an act.
 
dickythorpe said:
He was born in Canton.

Is that his defense or just an interesting side fact? :lol:


It must take a lot of courage for those abused to speak out like this. If he has groomed and abused, I hope the bastard gets everything coming to him.
 
Dropped by his record label. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55900061
 
Did these people go to the police before posting it on social media?

I’ve no idea about the situation but I’m a bit uncomfortable with the whole ‘trial by social media’ thing. From what I can see, hundreds of thousands have already decided he’s guilty.

I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me as he’s a bloody weirdo, but still.
 
MrSwerve said:
Did these people go to the police before posting it on social media?

I’ve no idea about the situation but I’m a bit uncomfortable with the whole ‘trial by social media’ thing. From what I can see, hundreds of thousands have already decided he’s guilty.

I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me as he’s a bloody weirdo, but still.

I know what you mean Swervey.
People seem to be able to make any accusation these days and unless you can prove it didn’t happen you’re donald ducked.
Mind you there’s more than one woman making these accusations.
 
Darran said:
MrSwerve said:
Did these people go to the police before posting it on social media?

I’ve no idea about the situation but I’m a bit uncomfortable with the whole ‘trial by social media’ thing. From what I can see, hundreds of thousands have already decided he’s guilty.

I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me as he’s a bloody weirdo, but still.

I know what you mean Swervey.
People seem to be able to make any accusation these days and unless you can prove it didn’t happen you’re donald ducked.
Mind you there’s more than one woman making these accusations.

If he's guilty then I hope he pays the price, but I can't stand the trial by social media. It also wouldn't be the first time that a celebrity finds him or herself being accused of something by one person and then a load of others come out of the woodwork claiming the same thing happened to them only to later find out some/all of it was made up purely to make some money.

Rightly or wrongly his persona will lead to plenty of people believing that he's guilty.
 
I’m a bit cynical when it comes to social media in general, but I get the feeling that (whether Manson is guilty or not), people post these types of things simply for ‘likes’ and attention. Similar to people who ‘check-in’ in hospital. Something potentially awful has happened, but they may as well get some social media attention at the same time. I dunno.

Rape and sexual assault allegations should be taken extremely seriously and shouldn’t be played out on social media. I see there’s an ‘I stand with you’ hashtag thing now going around. The police should ask that things like that be taken down while an investigation is going on.

Maybe I’m just out of touch. I really hope that the affected women went to the police first before reporting it on social media.
 
MrSwerve said:
I’m a bit cynical when it comes to social media in general, but I get the feeling that (whether Manson is guilty or not), people post these types of things simply for ‘likes’ and attention. Similar to people who ‘check-in’ in hospital. Something potentially awful has happened, but they may as well get some social media attention at the same time. I dunno.

Rape and sexual assault allegations should be taken extremely seriously and shouldn’t be played out on social media. I see there’s an ‘I stand with you’ hashtag thing now going around. The police should ask that things like that be taken down while an investigation is going on.

Maybe I’m just out of touch. I really hope that the affected women went to the police first before reporting it on social media.

‘Reporting it on social media’?

Evan Rachel Wood testified in front of a Congressional Select Committee, testified in front of the California Senate and was instrumental in passing a new domestic violence bill in California. The name wasn’t publicly released thats all until she chose to do so.

No police prosecution could take place because the statute of limitations had passed (she was only about 19 or so when it started).

It’s been an open secret for years, he’s even given interviews talking about it, and the reason it’s now public is because there’s an investigation been started in California as several women had made serious allegations.

She’s not doing it for ‘likes’, she’s been diagnosed with PTSD because of all she’s suffered. The reality is that powerful men used to see this sort of stuff brushed under the carpet, and it’s only by making stuff so public that anything actually gets done. Note his label didn’t drop him after testimony before, even though the whole industry knew who was being spoken about. It’s only when it’s public that anything gets done against these monsters.

Even then, women are subjected to the ‘but...’ analysis:
‘It’s awful but she should have gone to the police
.......but she should have avoided social media
.......but some men are falsely accused and look how bad that makes it for them
.......but I’m uncomfortable at the court of public opinion‘

It’s made public as that leads to others coming forward as it’s almost impossible to build a case unless there are many testimonies that build a picture.

Sorry - I’m not saying you’re minimising this, but this stuff is so awful, the abuser issues some bollox about ‘consent’ and half of the internet takes his side.
 
Londonlisa2001 said:
MrSwerve said:
I’m a bit cynical when it comes to social media in general, but I get the feeling that (whether Manson is guilty or not), people post these types of things simply for ‘likes’ and attention. Similar to people who ‘check-in’ in hospital. Something potentially awful has happened, but they may as well get some social media attention at the same time. I dunno.

Rape and sexual assault allegations should be taken extremely seriously and shouldn’t be played out on social media. I see there’s an ‘I stand with you’ hashtag thing now going around. The police should ask that things like that be taken down while an investigation is going on.

Maybe I’m just out of touch. I really hope that the affected women went to the police first before reporting it on social media.

‘Reporting it on social media’?

Evan Rachel Wood testified in front of a Congressional Select Committee, testified in front of the California Senate and was instrumental in passing a new domestic violence bill in California. The name wasn’t publicly released thats all until she chose to do so.

No police prosecution could take place because the statute of limitations had passed (she was only about 19 or so when it started).

It’s been an open secret for years, he’s even given interviews talking about it, and the reason it’s now public is because there’s an investigation been started in California as several women had made serious allegations.

She’s not doing it for ‘likes’, she’s been diagnosed with PTSD because of all she’s suffered. The reality is that powerful men used to see this sort of stuff brushed under the carpet, and it’s only by making stuff so public that anything actually gets done. Note his label didn’t drop him after testimony before, even though the whole industry knew who was being spoken about. It’s only when it’s public that anything gets done against these monsters.

Even then, women are subjected to the ‘but...’ analysis:
‘It’s awful but she should have gone to the police
.......but she should have avoided social media
.......but some men are falsely accused and look how bad that makes it for them
.......but I’m uncomfortable at the court of public opinion‘

It’s made public as that leads to others coming forward as it’s almost impossible to build a case unless there are many testimonies that build a picture.

Sorry - I’m not saying you’re minimising this, but this stuff is so awful, the abuser issues some bollox about ‘consent’ and half of the internet takes his side.

Nobody is minimising it but I still find it interesting someone could ruin someone’s life by making a post on social media in the 21st century.
I am not talking about this case.
 

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