Piroe not wanting to enter into new talks

[Swansea93]

Talk of Man City going for Phillips now so could see Leeds in for Downes after all.

 

[Risc]

Talk of Man City going for Phillips now so could see Leeds in for Downes after all.

I think Norwich.

 

[EagleEye]

Struggling to understand how so many ‘fans’ are so excited about selling our prize asset on to take a risk on a recruitment process that has been so hit-and-miss in the past.

Surely any club with ambition should be looking to build a squad around its best players ? So many fans thinking of themselves as businessmen & supporting a regime where we are truly being taken for a ride by absent owners & lack of ambition.

Serious question...

Do you honestly think we have any option but not to sell?
Piroe wants to play in the Premier League and this is his best shot.
He holds all the cards and it's not an option to hold him to his contact...

You can see this yea

If a decent offer comes in & the player wants out then that is one route. However, many fans seem to be making out that we have to sell him to get others in. When Piroe was signed the fee & his wages were known to the club & should have been part of their budget for the term of his contract. So many making out that we have to sell when when actually we do not.

Now answer my question, do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ? … because that is what lots of our financial ‘expert’ fans seem to be advocating.

We are one poor recruitment or transfer window away from the trap door if that is our so called operational model

 

[MajorR]

Talk of Man City going for Phillips now so could see Leeds in for Downes after all.

I think Norwich.

He’s an ex Ipswich player, so going to Norwich may not be that appealing to him and he could find it a challenge to win the fans over. Likely to get the same reaction a Cardiff player coming here would get.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Serious question...

Do you honestly think we have any option but not to sell?
Piroe wants to play in the Premier League and this is his best shot.
He holds all the cards and it's not an option to hold him to his contact...

You can see this yea

If a decent offer comes in & the player wants out then that is one route. However, many fans seem to be making out that we have to sell him to get others in. When Piroe was signed the fee & his wages were known to the club & should have been part of their budget for the term of his contract. So many making out that we have to sell when when actually we do not.

Now answer my question, do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ? … because that is what lots of our financial ‘expert’ fans seem to be advocating.

We are one poor recruitment or transfer window away from the trap door if that is our so called operational model

What you are failing to understand is that we are running on a deficit, if we don't sell him this year who is going to pay for the squad and staff wages and the gas and electric? You?

Maybe you've been away so you didn't notice but we've always been a selling club so unless we find a billionaire owner who needs to launder money that won't change.

You don't need to be a financial expert to see that you just need to get your head out of your backside.

 

[bakajack]

I think Norwich.

He’s an ex Ipswich player, so going to Norwich may not be that appealing to him and he could find it a challenge to win the fans over. Likely to get the same reaction a Cardiff player coming here would get.

We have been a club that has operated on a "buy low sell high" model for decades. Especially since the move to the Liberty Stadium when I started following the club more seriously than a passing interest in the evening post articles and results on teletext.

That model worked when we started our climb under Roberto back in league one and the reality is that a good 90% or so of the clubs in the professional football pyramid in the UK operates the same model. They buy low or recruit released players from higher league clubs or develop their own youth players to sell on to cover their operating costs.

 

[EagleEye]

If a decent offer comes in & the player wants out then that is one route. However, many fans seem to be making out that we have to sell him to get others in. When Piroe was signed the fee & his wages were known to the club & should have been part of their budget for the term of his contract. So many making out that we have to sell when when actually we do not.

Now answer my question, do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ? … because that is what lots of our financial ‘expert’ fans seem to be advocating.

We are one poor recruitment or transfer window away from the trap door if that is our so called operational model

What you are failing to understand is that we are running on a deficit, if we don't sell him this year who is going to pay for the squad and staff wages and the gas and electric? You?

Maybe you've been away so you didn't notice but we've always been a selling club so unless we find a billionaire owner who needs to launder money that won't change.

You don't need to be a financial expert to see that you just need to get your head out of your backside.

We have resisted bids in the past for good players, Rangel, Bodde, Trundle, Williams etc. It was only when players indicated that they wanted out that the club backed away. So many fans with the small town mentality & lack of ambition using financial ‘expertise’ to justify flawed logic.

Now answer my question do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ?

 

[Fireboy]

Some people have no idea.

We will always be a selling club whilst we have owners who won't put a cent of their own money into the club.

Yes silverstein has but its a loan with interest.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

What you are failing to understand is that we are running on a deficit, if we don't sell him this year who is going to pay for the squad and staff wages and the gas and electric? You?

Maybe you've been away so you didn't notice but we've always been a selling club so unless we find a billionaire owner who needs to launder money that won't change.

You don't need to be a financial expert to see that you just need to get your head out of your backside.

We have resisted bids in the past for good players, Rangel, Bodde, Trundle, Williams etc. It was only when players indicated that they wanted out that the club backed away. So many fans with the small town mentality & lack of ambition using financial ‘expertise’ to justify flawed logic.

Now answer my question do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ?

The only flawed logic is coming from you love.... We are not an ambitious club, our owners only care about money the sooner you come to terms with that the happier you'll be.

Answer me this.... If we don't sell our best players this summer, where is the money coming from for next season? Come on answer that?

 

[Swanjaxs]

Serious question...

Do you honestly think we have any option but not to sell?
Piroe wants to play in the Premier League and this is his best shot.
He holds all the cards and it's not an option to hold him to his contact...

You can see this yea

If a decent offer comes in & the player wants out then that is one route. However, many fans seem to be making out that we have to sell him to get others in. When Piroe was signed the fee & his wages were known to the club & should have been part of their budget for the term of his contract. So many making out that we have to sell when when actually we do not.

Now answer my question, do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ? … because that is what lots of our financial ‘expert’ fans seem to be advocating.

We are one poor recruitment or transfer window away from the trap door if that is our so called operational model

My answer to your question is no, we are not an ambitious club, and haven’t been for a number of seasons, we've "got lucky".
Any half decent offer for Piroe (or anyone else) will be accepted, with not much of it being coughed up for a replacement, the only delusion is from the supporters who think the Americans will be throwing the proceeds at improving the squad...

 

[JackSomething]

What you are failing to understand is that we are running on a deficit, if we don't sell him this year who is going to pay for the squad and staff wages and the gas and electric? You?

Maybe you've been away so you didn't notice but we've always been a selling club so unless we find a billionaire owner who needs to launder money that won't change.

You don't need to be a financial expert to see that you just need to get your head out of your backside.

We have resisted bids in the past for good players, Rangel, Bodde, Trundle, Williams etc. It was only when players indicated that they wanted out that the club backed away. So many fans with the small town mentality & lack of ambition using financial ‘expertise’ to justify flawed logic.

Now answer my question do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ?

All those players mentioned were before our time in the PL. It's fair to say a lot has changed at the club and in football since then.

Your question is irrelevant because you don't seem to understand that the club is running at a loss and needs player sales to keep us solvent. Just look at our most recent accounts, or read the analysis by the likes of Swiss Ramble. It's pretty clearly laid out.

 

[J_B]

What you are failing to understand is that we are running on a deficit, if we don't sell him this year who is going to pay for the squad and staff wages and the gas and electric? You?

Maybe you've been away so you didn't notice but we've always been a selling club so unless we find a billionaire owner who needs to launder money that won't change.

You don't need to be a financial expert to see that you just need to get your head out of your backside.

We have resisted bids in the past for good players, Rangel, Bodde, Trundle, Williams etc. It was only when players indicated that they wanted out that the club backed away. So many fans with the small town mentality & lack of ambition using financial ‘expertise’ to justify flawed logic.

Now answer my question do you think that the characteristic of an ambitious club is to sell its best players & restart the re-building process every season ?

That "ambitious club" that doesn't sell its best players in order to balance the books is not so much an ambitious club as a club that is gambling with its future existence.

 

[monmouth]

Rangel, Bodde and Trundle all wanted to leave. Trundle did. We kept the others because we were on the up and we had them contracted from league 1. Plus, maybe Junko was better at staring them down as our finances were better balanced (they always are before you start getting stupid and thinking 'ambition'. That leads to Ayew and Gomis).

That said, I agree with you in that we shouldn't be selling everything that isn't nailed down, we should be carefully building a team. That means joining up our recruitment and not, for example, spunking on disposable players that we never then play, and not buying goalkeepers we don't need that weaken us.

 

[Baron Goblet]

I am an admirer of Norwich, Brentford and Laudrup's ideas. They are all a little bit different as managers need to be credited for their individual execution however we have done well to move on two goal scoring strikers and bring in some decent replacements including Piroe who has earned a move on.

I reckon Martin got more wrong than right and we underperformed. Got lucky with Piroe who was put under a bit of preasure from the manager to begin with.

How Marts could not get much of a tune out Ntcham is another strange one it should take a few months to get fit enough.

Piroe will move.

I would hope we see a change of tactics next season at least in defence and central midfield. Way too defensive and lacking pace on the wings. Relied heavily on Piroe.