Piroe

[Niigata Jack]

I'm sure he was on 18 at start of play, so its 20 goals.

Opta has him on 19 including the 2 goals today.

Dunno know then without checking and Im not doing that now, I'm enjoying a beer or three :lol:

 

[JackFish]

I'm sure he was on 18 at start of play, so its 20 goals.

Opta has him on 19 including the 2 goals today.

18 league goals plus one in each of the cups.

 

[bakajack]

Opta has him on 19 including the 2 goals today.

18 league goals plus one in each of the cups.

Ahh thats it, they didn't list the FA cup game on there for some reason.
Thanks!

 

[JackSomething]

Going to be difficult to keep him you would think.

Any PL clubs looking at the list of Championship top scorers for a summer purchase would see:

Mitrovic - 38 goals! - Fulham are going up, so don't need to sell him, plus his PL goal record of 24 in 104 games isn't great.

Solanke - 24 goals - Bournemouth have a good chance of going up and have enough money that they could demand a huge fee anyway.

Brereton Diaz - 20 goals - in just 32 games. Just 22 years old. Only player on this list that may attract more interest than Piroe. Possible negatives are that this is his first good goal scoring season and he will be travelling to Chile on international breaks, but I'd still imagine plenty of clubs will have him ahead of Joel.

Weimann - 19 goals - Will be 31 when season starts and never scored anything like this many before.

Piroe - 18 goals - Will be just 23 when season starts and clubs know we have to sell one big player every summer to stay in the black, so will fancy they can get him cheap (under £20m). Barely scored any goals before this season, so hopefully some will fear that he could be a one-season wonder and they may also look at the lack of success our other recent top scorers have had after going elsewhere (McBurnie and Brewster)

 

[Neath_Jack]

Going to be difficult to keep him you would think.

Any PL clubs looking at the list of Championship top scorers for a summer purchase would see:

Mitrovic - 38 goals! - Fulham are going up, so don't need to sell him, plus his PL goal record of 24 in 104 games isn't great.

Solanke - 24 goals - Bournemouth have a good chance of going up and have enough money that they could demand a huge fee anyway.

Brereton Diaz - 20 goals - in just 32 games. Just 22 years old. Only player on this list that may attract more interest than Piroe. Possible negatives are that this is his first good goal scoring season and he will be travelling to Chile on international breaks, but I'd still imagine plenty of clubs will have him ahead of Joel.

Weimann - 19 goals - Will be 31 when season starts and never scored anything like this many before.

Piroe - 18 goals - Will be just 23 when season starts and clubs know we have to sell one big player every summer to stay in the black, so will fancy they can get him cheap (under £20m). Barely scored any goals before this season, so hopefully some will fear that he could be a one-season wonder and they may also look at the lack of success our other recent top scorers have had after going elsewhere (McBurnie and Brewster)

Brennan Johnson scored a few recently, he must be up there by now.

 

[JackSomething]

Going to be difficult to keep him you would think.

Any PL clubs looking at the list of Championship top scorers for a summer purchase would see:

Mitrovic - 38 goals! - Fulham are going up, so don't need to sell him, plus his PL goal record of 24 in 104 games isn't great.

Solanke - 24 goals - Bournemouth have a good chance of going up and have enough money that they could demand a huge fee anyway.

Brereton Diaz - 20 goals - in just 32 games. Just 22 years old. Only player on this list that may attract more interest than Piroe. Possible negatives are that this is his first good goal scoring season and he will be travelling to Chile on international breaks, but I'd still imagine plenty of clubs will have him ahead of Joel.

Weimann - 19 goals - Will be 31 when season starts and never scored anything like this many before.

Piroe - 18 goals - Will be just 23 when season starts and clubs know we have to sell one big player every summer to stay in the black, so will fancy they can get him cheap (under £20m). Barely scored any goals before this season, so hopefully some will fear that he could be a one-season wonder and they may also look at the lack of success our other recent top scorers have had after going elsewhere (McBurnie and Brewster)

Brennan Johnson scored a few recently, he must be up there by now.

14 I think, almost mentioned him, but I think he's a guaranteed sale unless Forest go up. He's been sensational.

 

[eteb]

20 mil for piroe prob frees up 8-10 mil for our transfer kitty.

Given the recent record with signings, i'd take that deal. Get christie on a free, paterson tied up and obafemi for our main nine. Add the ret for good, hungry youngsters and i'd take it.

I think it'll either be downes or piroe out

 

[sainthelens]

20 mil for piroe prob frees up 8-10 mil for our transfer kitty.

Given the recent record with signings, i'd take that deal. Get christie on a free, paterson tied up and obafemi for our main nine. Add the ret for good, hungry youngsters and i'd take it.

I think it'll either be downes or piroe out

We simply have to get away from this notion, at least for a season. We can see we are shaping up well for next year( tho it's taken a while materialising), by wotever means ffs keep and add to what we have. We keep improving with what we have, we are good things for least a play off spot next year.

 

[Cooperman]

20 mil for piroe prob frees up 8-10 mil for our transfer kitty.

Given the recent record with signings, i'd take that deal. Get christie on a free, paterson tied up and obafemi for our main nine. Add the ret for good, hungry youngsters and i'd take it.

I think it'll either be downes or piroe out

We simply have to get away from this notion, at least for a season. We can see we are shaping up well for next year( tho it's taken a while materialising), by wotever means ffs keep and add to what we have. We keep improving with what we have, we are good things for least a play off spot next year.

And there lies the issue. A net profit of £10m on transfers is what’s needed to be break even through the financial year. The current ownership model means reliance on a talent conveyor belt and next year will be no different.

£20m for Piroe feels a little OTT as well. I guess we could fetch £12m with £3m injected back into new player purchases.

 

[Neath_Jack]

We simply have to get away from this notion, at least for a season. We can see we are shaping up well for next year( tho it's taken a while materialising), by wotever means ffs keep and add to what we have. We keep improving with what we have, we are good things for least a play off spot next year.

And there lies the issue. A net profit of £10m on transfers is what’s needed to be break even through the financial year. The current ownership model means reliance on a talent conveyor belt and next year will be no different.

£20m for Piroe feels a little OTT as well. I guess we could fetch £12m with £3m injected back into new player purchases.

Swans fans are notorious for over valuing our players. It's probably the same at every club mind.

An offer which the board feel they can't turn down and its out the door for any player. It was always the same, always will be. Again, the its the same at pretty much any club in the land.

I'll be landed if Piroe, Oba and Downes are still with us next season. That would be a successful transfer window for me.

 

[JackSomething]

We simply have to get away from this notion, at least for a season. We can see we are shaping up well for next year( tho it's taken a while materialising), by wotever means ffs keep and add to what we have. We keep improving with what we have, we are good things for least a play off spot next year.

And there lies the issue. A net profit of £10m on transfers is what’s needed to be break even through the financial year. The current ownership model means reliance on a talent conveyor belt and next year will be no different.

£20m for Piroe feels a little OTT as well. I guess we could fetch £12m with £3m injected back into new player purchases.

I agree with you and NJ that we do tend to overvalue our players. Also agree with that one of our better players has to be sold to balance the books.

£12m feels low for me though.

We got £17.5m (rising to £20m with incentives I doubt he hit) for McBurnie in 2019. He scored 22 in 44 in the league that year, so Piroe could match that with his current 19 in 39. Plus I don't think anyone would make the argument that McBurnie is/was a more talented player than Piroe.

Ollie Watkins scored 25 in 46 for Brentford the season before he was sold (he only scored 20 in 86 the 2 previous seasons combined) and they sold him for £28m (rising to £33m).

Something between those two fees seems appropriate. The issue will be that others clubs are aware we probably need to sell, so will try and lowball us. The club did well driving McBurnie's price up by turning down the initial bid and need to do the same this summer if there's interest in Piroe.

 

[bakajack]

The primary difference here being who our CEO was at the time compared to now.
Does Winter have the negotiating strength that Birch had?

Some will argue that transfer fees more or less across the board last summer were driven down because of loss of revenues caused by the lockdown over the course of the season. This year I think that many will expect business from a football club perspective to be more or less back to normal.

For me when you have a young striker of European nationality who has hit 20 goals in a team which has not been a fluent potent attacking force for the majority of the season then you have to look at the likes of Ollie Watkins and Adam Armstrong for where the market is at right now.

Watkins as mentioned went for £28m, Armstrong for £15m plus addons when in the final year of his contract in a summer where as I said above teams everywhere were feeling the pinch financially from the loss of gate receipts.

Our bottom line for Piroe if (when) clubs do come calling should be £20m and we should be asking for £25m.

 

[Neath_Jack]

The primary difference here being who our CEO was at the time compared to now.
Does Winter have the negotiating strength that Birch had?

Some will argue that transfer fees more or less across the board last summer were driven down because of loss of revenues caused by the lockdown over the course of the season. This year I think that many will expect business from a football club perspective to be more or less back to normal.

For me when you have a young striker of European nationality who has hit 20 goals in a team which has not been a fluent potent attacking force for the majority of the season then you have to look at the likes of Ollie Watkins and Adam Armstrong for where the market is at right now.

Watkins as mentioned went for £28m, Armstrong for £15m plus addons when in the final year of his contract in a summer where as I said above teams everywhere were feeling the pinch financially from the loss of gate receipts.

Our bottom line for Piroe if (when) clubs do come calling should be £20 and we should be asking for £25m.

One of the most important factors that isn't being mentioned, is that there has to be a buying club with a few bob behind them, who fancy the player. Without someone being desperate to buy them, then the price is naturally driven down. Some teams get lucky in that respect, as i suspect Brentford did.

 

[bakajack]

The primary difference here being who our CEO was at the time compared to now.
Does Winter have the negotiating strength that Birch had?

Some will argue that transfer fees more or less across the board last summer were driven down because of loss of revenues caused by the lockdown over the course of the season. This year I think that many will expect business from a football club perspective to be more or less back to normal.

For me when you have a young striker of European nationality who has hit 20 goals in a team which has not been a fluent potent attacking force for the majority of the season then you have to look at the likes of Ollie Watkins and Adam Armstrong for where the market is at right now.

Watkins as mentioned went for £28m, Armstrong for £15m plus addons when in the final year of his contract in a summer where as I said above teams everywhere were feeling the pinch financially from the loss of gate receipts.

Our bottom line for Piroe if (when) clubs do come calling should be £20 and we should be asking for £25m.

One of the most important factors that isn't being mentioned, is that there has to be a buying club with a few bob behind them, who fancy the player. Without someone being desperate to buy them, then the price is naturally driven down. Some teams get lucky in that respect, as i suspect Brentford did.

Very true, but when you look at Leicester as an example - Vardy is not getting any younger.
Brighton have been screaming for a clinical finisher to put away the hatful of chances they make.
Arsenal have sold pretty much every striker they have for some reason.
Everton are desperately in need of a rebuild from the ground up.
Leeds would look for someone more clinical than Bamford.

There would be plenty of buyers who would be interested in him, and thats just from the Premier League.

 

[Neath_Jack]

One of the most important factors that isn't being mentioned, is that there has to be a buying club with a few bob behind them, who fancy the player. Without someone being desperate to buy them, then the price is naturally driven down. Some teams get lucky in that respect, as i suspect Brentford did.

Very true, but when you look at Leicester as an example - Vardy is not getting any younger.
Brighton have been screaming for a clinical finisher to put away the hatful of chances they make.
Arsenal have sold pretty much every striker they have for some reason.
Everton are desperately in need of a rebuild from the ground up.
Leeds would look for someone more clinical than Bamford.

There would be plenty of buyers who would be interested in him, and thats just from the Premier League.

And they might also be fancying strikers who have got several seasons of scoring behind them. They may fancy another raw gem that they could get cheaper elsewhere. It's not as easy as listing clubs then saying they would want him. Maybe some of those listed will be interested, maybe they won't. But it will be one of the biggest factors in what he will be sold for.